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Yeah, that's the way to go. It is for women-intended-wear, but to educate da masses about the difference is waste of time. I would rather try to teach a German shepard atom physics. At least he would give me an unbiased and nonbigotted woof.

JeffB1959 wrote:

Derek Plattis wrote:That way the femininity doesn't get out of hand, I don't completely lose my masculine identity and there can be no question of me trying to dress like a woman.

Speaking just for myself, I don't give a damn if the femininity "gets out of hand". I'm secure enough in my masculinity, no matter how I'm dressed. I'll always be a man, regardless of if I'm wearing women's clothes.

I guess I might say I don't give a damn about my masculinity, deep voice not withstanding.

John

It's not so much as not caring but "masculine" and "feminine" are arbitrary labels, nothing more.
I did a "first" recently, I purchased a pack of tights at my local Marks and Spencers. No big deal, a very insignifcant transction in the scheme of things but I was wearing a skirt as a guy, I won't ditch the beard.
I reckon that I was just a customer going about my business regardless of the side of the aisle.
As a matter of interest, the top half was a shirt, pullover jersey and heavy jacket, it was very cold and windy.
Who can say what I was being, I'd say "ME"?
Steve.

JffB1989, I agree with you and the opinions of most others I couldn't care about but that of MOH I do and it's her that's the brake on my skirt-wearing. I guess she's just being illogical and is trying to be protective in that she doesn't want me to be accused of being a tranny, as she puts it. I told a friend whom we have known for over 30-odd years about my skirts and he said that he was glad that I told him but he has known me for so long and couldn't give a d*mn about it and it wouldn't change his opinion of me. I am certainly being more open about the subject and do wear the skirt out a bit more. MOH is at work during the day and so I have a bit more opportunity.

Dennis,
MOH has similar views to yours in that I am either a tranny or just simply a cross-dresser. I too think it as illogical. In recent months I have been meeting friends from curling who, when I am wearing a tan/beige Utilitikilt (if they mention anything at all) say, "Still wearing that skirt I see!" as a friendly comment. (They never said, "Still wearing those trousers!")
Or from a woman curler I had not seem for quite a few years, "Looking very trendy!" One of my golf mates has also seen me when I was wearing a denim miniskirt but made no comment at all so I feel that the rest of them would be OK with it - but I may try out the black UK with them first. (At least one of them freely admits ho has been out in "drag" with his rugby mates, for instance)

One very long standing friend (over 30 years) recently had problems with an "affair". He was concerned, but would accept it, if I decided not to speak with him again. I reassured him that I valued his friendship over all the years we have know each other and would continue seeing him without question. I think for him, my skirt-wearing would be "small beer" and he would also accept me as I am in return.

Certainly my black UK was not commented at all either at the bowling evening or when meeting others at curling except for "Will you be wearing the kilt on the ice?"

Like you I am trying to be more open about it in the outside world and they don't seem to be bothered at all or at most curious.

My wife also puts a brake on my skirt wearing. Things are becoming a bit easier now after over 30 years together but she still won't come out with me when I'm in a skirt and doesn't "want it to get around the town". We've had several awful arguments and upsets over it in the past so that it is now almost impossible for me to talk about it with her for fear of upsetting her and us falling out over it again. I go out on my own to spend time with my friends - male and female. My friends are completely accepting of me but this way of going on is not brilliant for our relationship. It means we do less and less together because I want and need to wear skirts more and she won't be seen with me so we do things separately more and more. - Suggestions welcome!

Derek

Derek: Just be thankful for the freedom you get and occasionally, gradually, and gently keep nibbling for more.

My wife is grudgingly tolerant or me wearing kilts around the house, in the yard, and almost anywhere beyond our immediate neighborhood.

Like, it's OK for the neighbors to see me kilted fetching the newspaper, putting out the garbage, and loading up the car. For some reason, though, but it's not OK to take my daily walk kilted within 1/4 mile of the house. It's OK if I start from a park about half a mile away, though, so I just drive over there. It's also OK if I go kilted to local stores, where I obviously encounter the same neighbors.

Also, she refuses to be out with me anywhere in public kilted.

But that still leaves a lot of flexibility, and I manage to stay kilted about 66-75% of the time. 100% would be nice but hey, maybe by next year she'll ease up.

My wife is totaling accepting of me wearing a kilt in public but not a skirt. She has never said a cannot wear a skirt (she knows better than to tell me no) but from looks she gives me when I tell her I wore a denim skirt to the store, I can tell she does not approve. Once when I was wearing a long skirt at home, she wouldn't let me answer the door to collect a pizza delivery.

Caultron wrote:Derek: Just be thankful for the freedom you get and occasionally, gradually, and gently keep nibbling for more.

My wife is grudgingly tolerant or me wearing kilts around the house, in the yard, and almost anywhere beyond our immediate neighborhood.

Like, it's OK for the neighbors to see me kilted fetching the newspaper, putting out the garbage, and loading up the car. For some reason, though, but it's not OK to take my daily walk kilted within 1/4 mile of the house. It's OK if I start from a park about half a mile away, though, so I just drive over there. It's also OK if I go kilted to local stores, where I obviously encounter the same neighbors.

Also, she refuses to be out with me anywhere in public kilted.

But that still leaves a lot of flexibility, and I manage to stay kilted about 66-75% of the time. 100% would be nice but hey, maybe by next year she'll ease up.

Did you ever wonder what would happen if we refused to be seen in public with our wives whenever they wore pants?

Carole has days when she is more accepting than others. However, on balance, she is pretty relaxed about my sartorial choices. I do get a push back if she thinks what I have chosen is inappropriate, but that tends to be more because I have failed the believability test that Carl often refers to or I am simply not sufficiently well dressed for the occasion / event. Carole has been quite happy to go out for an evening in a good local restaurant with me skirted; so long as I choose something suitable, the long black "Svenjoyment" skirt teamed with a good shirt and possibly an jacket, tie or cravat seems to be a favourite.

I look forward to the day when Carole picks a skirt out for me and says" This would suit you". That day will come if I just let her get there at her own pace.

Have fun,


Ian.

dillon wrote:Did you ever wonder what would happen if we refused to be seen in public with our wives whenever they wore pants?

Sure did; but I would not want (nor recommend anyone else) to escalate things like that. As my old Grandmother used to tell me "Two wrongs do not make a right".

Have fun,


Ian.

Milfmog wrote:...As my old Grandmother used to tell me "Two wrongs do not make a right"...

I enjoyed the double positive joke. Clever!

Worth and price mean roughly the same thing. Then why are priceless and worthless opposites?

John

JohnH wrote:Worth and price mean roughly the same thing. Then why are priceless and worthless opposites?

That's a nice try, but worth and price sometimes aren't even tangentially related. I have seen way too much stuff with astronomical [0] price-tags that would be worthless to me -- but I have intercepted things on the way to the landfill that are virtually priceless (as in, "a price cannot be attached to it because it's not for sale") to me (mainly some of my more obscure and older computers).

The earlier one of, "Yeah, right." falls down as well because the delivery is usually absolutely and unmistakably sarcastic and right up there with, "Yeah, whatever."

[0] It used to be that things were considered "astronomically large" when there were enough zeroes in the number to pretty make scientific-notation useful. Nowadays, however, with the way that things are going on the economic front, and notably with the staggering size of the debts of some countries, the absolute number of which makes the miles-in-a-parsec look small, why don't we call insanely vast numbers "economical numbers"?