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SkirtDude wrote:Peter - I have been part of other boards that got together over much greater distances (All of US + Canada) for much less significant reasons (they would get together and just socialize on somebody's porch). Where there is interest and a will there is a way.

That is quite understandable, given that the petrol prices are reasonable. Petrol is here 1,40 euro a liter, which is about 5,30 US dollar / gallon, is that expensive? I have no idea of how to relate that to wages. We think it is very expensive, given that most cars here use 1 liter to the 10 or 12 km's.

When I lived in Australia, we were used to travelling greater distances, but then again I think that the petrol was probably less expensive than it is over here, to the wages.


1 liter = 0.264 172 051 2 gallon [US, liquid]
1 gallon [US, liquid] = 3.785 411 8 liter
1.40 EUR = 2.05331 USD

And of course if you have a stable income from which you can miss the gas cost for such trips easily. As I am now jobless myself, I think about that situation, or about others who have low incomes possibly more than someone who has a reasonable income and relates to others who have the same financial situation.

Peter v.

Peter v wrote:But how to get them all together. There should be only one skirt wearers forum for each country, so that all that seek info on the net come to the one site. As it is now, there may be dozens or more other sites, dividing the little mass that we have into smaller chunks. Only the people that know about events can participate.

Peter, I think the number of skirt sites is a good thing. The overlap of countries participating in the different sites is helpful when trying to get a meet together. If I were traveling overseas, perhaps The Netherlands , I'd be sure to mention it here in the hopes of meeting some friends from here while on vacation.

Meets don't have to be big, in fact some of the best ones I have been to with other online groups have been just a few people which means a better chance to talk to everybody present.

That reminds me, I need to toss the idea of a meet sub-forum into Bob's suggestion box area.

Quiet Mouse

I don't know if "Men in Skirts," per se, is a social movement but my friends, we are part of a social movement whether we like it or not, and that is a 100+ year change in how developed societies view gender. Definitions of gender roles have been a fundamental part of western society for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

Since, however, women began working in "men's" jobs (WWI & WWII major factors here), women rejected traditional concepts of how women should look (fashion changes in the 1910s-1920s, trousers for women in the 1960s) and how they view their bodies (lots of different things but I'd point to the rise of women's athletics in the 1970s-80s), birth control became readily accessible, and single parent households became acceptable (although certainly not preferred) the traditional distinctions between men and women have become a bit, let's say, blurry.

What you will note, though, is that all these challenges come from the women's side of the aisle. Men, being in the dominant position, have really had no motivation to question the status quo. We, who are exploring fashion choices (and, by extension, a sense of self-expression) are pioneers in suggesting that some men might not think that the ossified distinctions between men and women are such a good idea.

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You get some really interesting posts in some of these topics in here. On the other hand, you get some really bland ones too. Like the one just before this one. I tried and tried and couldn't figure out the point of that response. O well...Like standing in a park trying to figure out what a Mockingbird is saying and who it's mocking.