Skirt Cafe is an on-line community dedicated to exploring, promoting and advocating skirts and kilts as a fashion choice for men, formerly known as men in skirts. We do this in the context of men's fashion freedom --- an expansion of choices beyond those commonly available for men to include kilts, skirts and other garments. We recognize a diversity of styles our members feel comfortable wearing, and do not exclude any potential choices. Continuing dialog on gender is encouraged in the context of fashion freedom for men. See here for more details.
Modoc wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 6:13 pm
I have gotten used to the idea that I will be the only man in a skirt or a dress wherever I go. I don't know that it has had any adverse effect on my life, and I don't see any reason not to continue.
That's fine and you are in a good place.
For many men and boys, however, wearing skirts and/or dresses is simply not an option due to pressures from family, work and their neighbourhood. That's why I would like to see us all continuing the struggle to have this simple sartorial choice for the 50% made available and normalised. I'd like to see, e.g. racks of denim skirts on the men's clothing section in my supermarket and uniform skirts marketed for boys just as uniform trousers are marketed for girls at school outfitters.
...racks of denim skirts on the men's clothing section in my supermarket and uniform skirts marketed for boys just as uniform trousers are marketed for girls at school outfitters.
I understand your point, but I don't see that ever happening. For the supermarket to stock them, there would need to be considerable demand, which there will just never be. Something like 11% of the population are left-handed and they don't stock left-handed scissors.
I think we will always be a tiny minority, but an increasingly unremarkable (i.e. accepted) one across wider society.
I am into kilts and my wife is supportive. In fact, she bought me my last three or four kilts. I am now in my 11th month of wearing kilts full-time. There have only been four days since early last September that I have not donned a kilt for at least a part of the day. Those four days had me in an old pair of shorts - for doing messy work or work on ladders. But I have not worn pants/trousers in nearly a year - at all.
..... If you are too busy to laugh you are too busy.
Stevej180 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:22 pm
I understand your point, but I don't see that ever happening. For the supermarket to stock them, there would need to be considerable demand, which there will just never be. Something like 11% of the population are left-handed and they don't stock left-handed scissors.
You may be right, but don't give up quite so easily. Several few decades ago, women's clothing stores wouldn't have offered trousers. Just three decades ago, there was almost no such thing as male cosmetics, but now I can buy male moisturiser - and nail bars are providing male manicures. Look up "men's skirt" on Amazon and you will find a limited range. We have made considerable progress, but it has stalled. At some point, it will likely gather momentum again.
...racks of denim skirts on the men's clothing section in my supermarket and uniform skirts marketed for boys just as uniform trousers are marketed for girls at school outfitters.
I understand your point, but I don't see that ever happening. For the supermarket to stock them, there would need to be considerable demand, which there will just never be. Something like 11% of the population are left-handed and they don't stock left-handed scissors.
I think we will always be a tiny minority, but an increasingly unremarkable (i.e. accepted) one across wider society.
given I've been to walmarts before that didn't even have any skirts for women, it would have to be a bit of a boutique store for male versions.
moonshadow wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:15 am
Well, IMO, there's nothing good online anymore.
It's all A.I. crap, vitriol, and paywalls.
I miss the 90's internet.
Somewhat agree, but I often think I'd like to go back to the 70s and 80s, without internet, mobile phones, where you only had one TV in the house (and before 1981 that was still black and white), we played outside and climbed trees, and never got into trouble, a spade was a spade, boys were boys and girls were girls.
And if you called a company on the phone, you always spoke to a human and had answers straight away.
moonshadow wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:14 am
I feel fortunate to have known a world prior to cell phones and the internet.
May we never forget.
I think it is difficult for young people to imagine a world without information at your finger tips. In my life time the phone has changed from a thing at the bottom of the stairs with a dial, to a phenomenally useful electronic multi tool connected to the world. Whether us humans can use this multi tool responsively is the question and in some cases the answer is defiantly no.
In my own life, I remember a time when I was convinced that I was alone in the world with my thoughts of dressing in skirts.... Young people today know they are not alone and others have the same thoughts and desires.
Stu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 12:04 pm
...I'd like to see, e.g. racks of denim skirts on the men's clothing section in my supermarket and uniform skirts marketed for boys just as uniform trousers are marketed for girls at school outfitters.
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How about the more efficient use of space--just a clothing section with no "men's" or "women's" section?
Stu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 12:04 pm
...I'd like to see, e.g. racks of denim skirts on the men's clothing section in my supermarket and uniform skirts marketed for boys just as uniform trousers are marketed for girls at school outfitters.
...
How about the more efficient use of space--just a clothing section with no "men's" or "women's" section?
Jim wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 12:01 pm
How about the more efficient use of space--just a clothing section with no "men's" or "women's" section?
That would be good, but keep an eye on the marketing - like the display boards showing the garments being modelled.
We see this with childrenswear retailers like John Lewis who mix up their displays, but then show male models in traditional boys' clothes and only girls wearing skirts, dresses, lacy or glittery clothing - and then they claim they are "gender neutral".
...racks of denim skirts on the men's clothing section in my supermarket and uniform skirts marketed for boys just as uniform trousers are marketed for girls at school outfitters.
I understand your point, but I don't see that ever happening. For the supermarket to stock them, there would need to be considerable demand, which there will just never be. Something like 11% of the population are left-handed and they don't stock left-handed scissors.
It's approximately 10%, but that's still more than three quarters of a billion people. They could easily stock left-handed tools if enough left-handed people demanded for it. The fact that the supermarket doesn't have these things to accommodate lefties is a separate issue from skirts being tailored for men. We need to keep in mind that despite the lack of rapid progress of people realizing that skirts aren't strictly for females doesn't mean that noticeable demand won't "ever" happen. It's not exactly easy being optimistic about this, but I think pessimism with little basis is just as bad. There have been many a taboo towards what is or isn't for men or women, and stores and services reflected this until the taboos were disposed of. Just because this particular ridiculous taboo over MiS hasn't gone away yet doesn't mean it won't ever die.
Stu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:43 am
We see this with childrenswear retailers like John Lewis who mix up their displays, but then show male models in traditional boys' clothes and only girls wearing skirts, dresses, lacy or glittery clothing - and then they claim they are "gender neutral".
This is done probably because people get really stupid about a boy wearing anything that isn't dinosaurs, trucks, or any other typically "male" clothing. Don't want to step on eggshells, don't we? To be serious, they should really come out and just have a male child model wearing this clothing and face the backlash with dignity. When they lose customers, good. Those people don't deserved to be catered to if a boy being shown wearing a dress scares them. They can simply not buy it for their son(s) or shop somewhere else.
I think it seems things have gone quiet is the wearing of skirts and dresses have become a lot more common. About 12 years ago hardly anyone (man or woman) wore dresses and skirts. So when I wore a skirt or dress I stood out.
People now see me wearing a dress, and it's no big deal. I blend in with the rest of the population. Of course having beyond shoulder length hair and a bust helps.
I remember my maternal grandfather saying that you don't hear about radial ply tires. I pointed out to him virtually all automotive tires were radial at the time of his comment.
John
Last edited by Uncle Al on Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Could it be that no male celebs are seen out at the moment in skirts?
A high profile celeb steps out of the box, raises his profile with some media attention. On the back of that exposé there are some attempts to keep the momentum going but without big celeb involvement, it dwindles and dies. At the same time none of this media attention makes one iota of actual change to real people.
This made me think though...
The eating of fondue was promoted by the Swiss Cheese Association in 1930. Suddenly fondue became a national obsession and has been ever since. How do we make skirts the fondue of clothes?
