American men: Are you allowed to wear a skirt at work?

[crfriend]

Interesting. Then why is there this big thread with other members saying, "don't worry, most people know we are not trans?"

That was one member's "read" on the matter. Consensus has not yet been reached.

I wholeheartedly agree that it should not matter, but I'm personally getting bloody tired of getting slandered by being put on the SD Spectrum for 50+ years -- including by my grandparents who damned well knew better.

Yes, "Sticks and stones..." but after a while it grows very bothersome indeed,

The pattern needs to be broken. In small settings it's possible to break it; I have in my community where I am well known. I may be one of the very few, but I tend to engage with folks, and where I live allows me to do just that. Try that in a large city. If the pattern cannot be broken, we're done for in the short term (as measured in human generations).

As the old saying goes, "Do not judge a book by its cover." Clothes are just adornment that come off at the end of the day. Full stop.

[Grok]

The Spectrum of Sexual Deviancy. Think the "LGBTQWTF+" crowd. I'm tired of the PC aspect and verbiage. Cut to the chase and expose it for what it is. That's just one of the tools in the "policing" kit; there are also a wide range of shaming, shunning, and rejecting behaviours to deal with "those who do not conform". Once you get hit with some of those you'll start to recognise them.

I believe somebody mentioned on another thread that men are called homosexual for wearing nail polish.

[jamie001]

I believe somebody mentioned on another thread that men are called homosexual for wearing nail polish.

I made that comment on another thread. I constantly wear nail polish and could care less what anyone thinks. Simply put, “anything that is not within the narrow range of acceptable expression as defined by the Man-Box, is automatically classified as “homosexual”. That is the problem that we are all fighting and unfortunately will be fighting for many years to come because most men are satisfied with the Man-Box status quo.

[FLbreezy]

That is the problem that we are all fighting and unfortunately will be fighting for many years to come because most men are satisfied with the Man-Box status quo.

It's because the Man-box is easier than swimming upstream. Not happier for sure, but easier.

[LiuBang]

I wholeheartedly agree that it should not matter, but I'm personally getting bloody tired of getting slandered by being put on the SD Spectrum for 50+ years -- including by my grandparents who damned well knew better.

Do you think being put on the SD Spectrum is especially prevalent in more "progressive" areas, more "progressive" times?

Or do you think that everyone across the political spectrum, left or right, simply assumes MIS = trans, only difference being the "conservatives" bash you for being "trans" while the progressives try to "affirm your trans/non-binary leanings?"

[crfriend]

Do you think being put on the SD Spectrum is especially prevalent in more "progressive" areas, more "progressive" times?

I'm not sure that locale makes much of a difference, save that the more "progressive" areas tend to be more awash in the SD Spectrum than more "backwards" ones In the backward ones, you're probably just going to get called "queer" or "faggot"..

Or do you think that everyone across the political spectrum, left or right, simply assumes MIS = trans, only difference being the "conservatives" bash you for being "trans" while the progressives try to "affirm your trans/non-binary leanings?"

This depends on whether the individual commenting wants to anger you or get a response. Both characterisations are almost always incorrect, and which terminology gets used is irrelevant. It's the misclassification that's the problem.

[jamie001]

What is “SD Spectrum”? I can’t find a definition on google. Is it that same as LGBTQ+?

[crfriend]

What is “SD Spectrum”? I can’t find a definition on google. Is it that same as LGBTQ+?

Yes, and since in an older vernacular you won't find it there, either. To sum it up, it disposes of all Political Correctness with one stroke and calls it out, and I will repeat myself just this once on the matter: It's the "Sexual Deviancy Spectrum"

[jamie001]

What is “SD Spectrum”? I can’t find a definition on google. Is it that same as LGBTQ+?

Yes, and since in an older vernacular you won't find it there, either. To sum it up, it disposes of all Political Correctness with one stroke and calls it out, and I will repeat myself just this once on the matter: It's the "Sexual Deviancy Spectrum"

Actually the medical community no longer classifies homosexuality as a sexual deviancy. Homosexuality also exists in the animal kingdom and is not a choice. If it were a choice, in countries where death is the penalty for homosexuality, people would not choose to be homosexual if it were a simple choice. There have been LGBTQ+ people forever but they have been hidden because to come out would have meant career death, political death or even bodily death. The former statement is still true in many religious lunatic Arab countries.

[crfriend]

Actually the medical community no longer classifies homosexuality as a sexual deviancy.

I'm aware of the fact that things have "evolved somewhat" from what they were 50 years ago -- and have gotten so Politically Correct that they're largely useless.

Contemplate the opinions of your elders before slandering them. Full stop.

Just because some random guy wants to put both legs down one tube means precisely ZERO about his sexuality. ZERO.

[jamie001]

Just because some random guy wants to put both legs down one tube means precisely ZERO about his sexuality. ZERO.

Yes that is 100 percent correct. Society believes that Men’s clothing only exists if you are a man. Woman are permitted to wear anything including men’s clothing without their sexuality being questioned.

Unfortunately our confused and close minded society equates clothing with sexuality but only for men. If a man wears an item of clothing that is typically seen as feminine, he is immediately labeled as a gay homosexual. If a woman wears men’s clothing, she is labeled as adventurous and fashion forward.

As long as men are viewed as superior to women, the double standard will continue to exist. Only when true equality has been achieved will the double standard be eliminated. There is no other way to achieve victory for men in skirts. Fashion designers would love to sell them, but men won’t take the bait for fear of repercussions.

[STEVIE]

Just because some random guy wants to put both legs down one tube means precisely ZERO about

......ZERO!

Let me apologise for playing with your words first, Carl, but I will explain.
To return to the work aspect, I may not be American, but I feel qualified to pass comment.
In all the years that I have been wearing skirts at work, there have been many comments.
The major theme is how "courageous"!
Rubbish, it means nothing of the sort, I do it for ME and nothing else.
My point is ALL the reasons are mine and ABSOLUTE ZERO to anyone else.
Except my boss, who has a more productive worker and the clients who receive a better service.
Steve.

[Jim]

If a man wears an item of clothing that is typically seen as feminine, he is immediately labeled as a gay homosexual.

That has not been my experience at all. Sure, someone somewhere might have thought that, but I have never had reason to suspect that of anyone.

[Barleymower]

If a man wears an item of clothing that is typically seen as feminine, he is immediately labeled as a gay homosexual.

That has not been my experience at all. Sure, someone somewhere might have thought that, but I have never had reason to suspect that of anyone.

It might be fine where you live but is not the case in many other places;
Do you remember Freedomforall's post?
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[Seb]

If a woman wears men’s clothing, she is labeled as adventurous and fashion forward.

I can think of a lot of masc outfits that would make a woman gay in most peoples eyes.

A little off topic but...

I would expect homosexuals to dress like their own gender since that is what they are attracted too(and presumably wanting to attract), but from the ones I've meet, their clothing is just as varied as anyone else which just drives home the point that clothes should not be used to signify sexual orientation.
Its the hetro mob that puts the homo label on clothes that really does not have a valid basis.

At the same time... If I wanted to attract a man who is attracted to men, dressing up in feminine clothes just does'nt make sense, at all, so I really don't understand the base reasoning of how donning a skirt can be seen as homosexual. Sissy sure, but not homosexual.