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Caultron wrote:There's been a lot of progress toward tolerance of LGBT in the past few years, but that has also led to some backlash.

I wasn't referring just to intolerance of the LGBT community, but to wider problems surrounding migrants, religious minorities, racial minorities, etc. Where there's hardship, poverty and unrest, the masses target the minorities. If someone's down on their luck they look for a scapegoat; often irrationally.

Disaffected.citizen wrote:I wasn't referring just to intolerance of the LGBT community, but to wider problems surrounding migrants, religious minorities, racial minorities, etc. Where there's hardship, poverty and unrest, the masses target the minorities. If someone's down on their luck they look for a scapegoat; often irrationally.

No kidding. Somehow the wealthy manage to convince the lower-income classes that people who are even worse off are getting all the money.

They also run for office promising lower taxes, but then the reductions turn out to be for upper-income brackets and businesses.

No wonder people are getting testy.

I think it's wise in many cases to follow one's gut, and if, for whatever reasons, it's time for a break, then you should do that. It seems others here feel similarly. I'm very fortunate where I live south of San Fransisco near San Jose. All of my friends have been supportive and, indeed, have celebrated my wearing kilts/skirts. One friend insists I wear one when we go out together. Shes's an artist and loves how the garments are created with various design details.

Caultron wrote:No wonder people are getting testy.

There's also the phenomenon of "compassion fatigue". After getting nothing but a barrage of how one should "feel sorry for" or "accept" something else -- when one themselves may be in difficulty or put upon -- it does get tiring after a while. Most things are tolerable for some fixed length of time, but when it starts to exceed that, or the message gets too shrill, folks tend to tune out and ultimately get hostile. I think we're seeing quite a bit of that in the US of A at the moment in the performance of some of the political candidates. As posited in the 1970's motion picture Network by one of the prime characters, "I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take this any more!".

What's old is new again.

"Here, meet the new boss -- same as the old boss // We won't get fooled again."

rick401r wrote:I posted a comment in the "What to do, What to do" thread about the time I spent in Montgomery, Alabama. Not a nice place to live in my opinion.

I worked in Montgomery 6 years. I'd nuke that city if I could

I'm fortunate to live in the northeast (Philadelphia) and have never had any trouble going here and there in skirts and heels. And yes, I've used men's restrooms (though I do my best to limit fluid intake so I don't have to) and haven't encountered any problems. At the end of the day, I guess it's all about location, location, location.

Disaffected.citizen wrote:Since 2014/15 I have observed and commented upon social tensions, intolerance, abuse and hatred steadily fermenting to such a degree that the UK now seems to have an aura similar to 1930s Germany; conversely (at least at the recent outset) Germany had been displaying the "benevolent tolerance" (read UK's confidence of the last remnants of imperialism) of 1930s UK.

I don't know where in the UK you are but, outside the pages of some of the red top tabloids, I do not recognise any of what you describe above. I am also tempted to point out that you are straying dangerously close to the point at which I would refer to Godwin's Law. I live between three large towns which all have large immigrant communities from several different parts of the globe and the view you espouse is simply not evident in any of them to a significant degree.

Until then, to all, stay safe.

At least we can agree on that.

Have fun,


Ian.

I want to wear one of my skirts home from work tomorrow because I've got to stop and buy airbrush paint and it's so much comfortable than jeans after 10 hours or so of work in the flower fields (nursery). One problem though. I've had to sacrifice my good shoes. I'm not going to put those dirty shoes on with a skirt. In a couple weeks or so I'm getting more shoes I hope

Bamaskirting wrote:I want to wear one of my skirts home from work tomorrow because I've got to stop and buy airbrush paint and it's so much comfortable than jeans after 10 hours or so of work in the flower fields (nursery). One problem though. I've had to sacrifice my good shoes. I'm not going to put those dirty shoes on with a skirt. In a couple weeks or so I'm getting more shoes I hope

Do be careful getting work life too close to skirt life... the south is anything but free, for many people.

I can not imagine you're location is any better than mind in this regard, and I'm on pins and needles.

Bamaskirting wrote:I want to wear one of my skirts home from work tomorrow because I've got to stop and buy airbrush paint and it's so much comfortable than jeans after 10 hours or so of work in the flower fields (nursery). One problem though. I've had to sacrifice my good shoes. I'm not going to put those dirty shoes on with a skirt. In a couple weeks or so I'm getting more shoes I hope

Is there an outlet mall near you? Reason I ask, is that sometimes you can get new shoes that normally are around $115-$120 for as low as $30. The red/gray New Balance running shoes I frequently wear are normally $115. Got them for $30 at their outlet store nearby. Not bad for US made athletic shoes. So, maybe check around and see what kind of deals you can get.

With respect to wearing a skirt with shoes that are dirty, I probably wouldn't let that stop you. An excuse you could use is that you went on a hike while skirted and your shoes got dirty, that is, if you really needed the excuse.

-J

Denim skirts are always seen as masculine, yet "Invisible " as many mistake it for denim shorts. I usually wear denim knee-length pencil skirts with black Nike sneakers with no incident. A lot of women wear trainers / sneakers with their skirt suits, but have a pair of heels kept at the office. Skorts are generally short, but with built in panties so they are not exactly shorts.

I know how the political climate is on a knife edge (I really hope Trump doesn't win) where you are, OP, but keep safe as well. You could also try kilts rather than give up skirts completely.

Bamaskirting wrote:Thanks to all the backlash in Alabama about the transcended bathroom issues, I don't think I'll be going out in a skirt anymore. I think that's setting us all back. We may not be transcender but society mostly sees skirts as attire for female. I don't know. Just will have to see. If I go out I'm carrying a very large knife.

The more I think about this, the harder it is for me to visualize someone becoming violent because someone else is wearing a skirt. A brief negative comment or frown is the worst I've experienced, and even those are pretty rare.

Then again, I live in Arizona and not in Alabama. And while Arizona can be quite conservative politically, it also favors rugged individualists.

Another avenue, if you're still uncomfortable, might be to wear your skirts in places considered counter-cultural already: comicons, tattoo conventions, art shows, art districts, rock concerts, and so forth. You might also try looking for Scottish or Celtic festivals in your area.

Milfmog wrote:

Disaffected.citizen wrote:Since 2014/15 I have observed and commented upon social tensions, intolerance, abuse and hatred steadily fermenting to such a degree that the UK now seems to have an aura similar to 1930s Germany; conversely (at least at the recent outset) Germany had been displaying the "benevolent tolerance" (read UK's confidence of the last remnants of imperialism) of 1930s UK.

I don't know where in the UK you are but, outside the pages of some of the red top tabloids, I do not recognise any of what you describe above. I am also tempted to point out that you are straying dangerously close to the point at which I would refer to Godwin's Law. I live between three large towns which all have large immigrant communities from several different parts of the globe and the view you espouse is simply not evident in any of them to a significant degree.

Until then, to all, stay safe.

At least we can agree on that.

Have fun,


Ian.

As I said, there is an aura. Without intending to breach the political arena here, there is much rhetoric surrounding migrants and their effect upon the local populace. General fallacies of: "Immigrants" are taking our jobs; "Immigrants" come here and immediately get benefits; "Muslims" are taking over everything; "Europe" makes all our laws; etc, etc. The media, the politicians, brexit, better off alone, isolationism, etc, etc.

The fact that you live in an area with large migrant communities probably means the area is more tolerant; they see the truth that most come to improve their lives and to join the wider community. I celebrate diversity; my family has migrant european roots from 100 years ago. But in areas with fewer migrants, those "Red tops" are able to whip up a storm; and the majority of their readership do not look objectively and challenge.

We are entering an uncertain era where nationalism meets socialism. I hope I'm wrong.

Kilted_John wrote:

Bamaskirting wrote:I want to wear one of my skirts home from work tomorrow because I've got to stop and buy airbrush paint and it's so much comfortable than jeans after 10 hours or so of work in the flower fields (nursery). One problem though. I've had to sacrifice my good shoes. I'm not going to put those dirty shoes on with a skirt. In a couple weeks or so I'm getting more shoes I hope

Is there an outlet mall near you? Reason I ask, is that sometimes you can get new shoes that normally are around $115-$120 for as low as $30. The red/gray New Balance running shoes I frequently wear are normally $115. Got them for $30 at their outlet store nearby. Not bad for US made athletic shoes. So, maybe check around and see what kind of deals you can get.

With respect to wearing a skirt with shoes that are dirty, I probably wouldn't let that stop you. An excuse you could use is that you went on a hike while skirted and your shoes got dirty, that is, if you really needed the excuse.

-J

there is but I don't go that way ever. I usually don't wear expensive shoes anyways. I'm just going to pick up some black vans and a cheaper pairs of nikes

kilty wrote:Denim skirts are always seen as masculine, yet "Invisible " as many mistake it for denim shorts. I usually wear denim knee-length pencil skirts with black Nike sneakers with no incident. A lot of women wear trainers / sneakers with their skirt suits, but have a pair of heels kept at the office. Skorts are generally short, but with built in panties so they are not exactly shorts.

I know how the political climate is on a knife edge (I really hope Trump doesn't win) where you are, OP, but keep safe as well. You could also try kilts rather than give up skirts completely.

I've got a nice denim skirt. hard to climb in car wearing it. but it's awesome. I didn't mean I was going to stop completely. I typed the wrong chain of thought.