Being required to wear neckties if you are male.

[Bri]

I'm going to start wearing a regular long sleeved formal shirt instead of a shirt and tie since I can't stand them. I notice the women at the last meeting I went to looked so comfortable in their shirts that were slightly lower cut and having no noose around their neck.

[Zorba]

is neckties. I utterly refuse to wear one (or a "dinner jacket") *EVER* again.

Guys - this is the male equivalent of the Burqa - an oppressive, hot, uncomfortable, dangerous and potentially deadly garment that service no useful purpose whatsoever.

I strongly encourage EVERYONE to decry the necktie at every opportunity and to refuse to wear one under ANY circumstances. The sooner this barbaric, unethical and immoral dress code goes away, the better!

[Peter v]

is neckties. I utterly refuse to wear one (or a "dinner jacket") *EVER* again.

Guys - this is the male equivalent of the Burqa - an oppressive, hot, uncomfortable, dangerous and potentially deadly garment that service no useful purpose whatsoever.

I strongly encourage EVERYONE to decry the necktie at every opportunity and to refuse to wear one under ANY circumstances. The sooner this barbaric, unethical and immoral dress code goes away, the better!

I agree in part, as we can all if desired, so choose to wear a suit, with neck tie as desired. BUT there should indeed be some thought given as to the situations where it is deemed compulsary.

[crfriend]

is neckties. I utterly refuse to wear one (or a "dinner jacket") *EVER* again.

With all due respect, I must humbly disagree. Neckties can be quite useful as a form of decoration as they can provide a splash of colour in the midst of an otherwise bland outfit. I've actually found I'm wearing ties more since I began wearing skirts simply because they do add an extra bit of flair that's otherwise completely lacking in the modern all-casual-all-the-time mentality. I'm not saying they're for everybody (hey, Peter v ramps it up to the next level altogether with scarves), but ties can work quite well especially if the look one is going for is a simple "I want to swap my trousers for a skirt" look.

Guys - this is the male equivalent of the Burqa - an oppressive, hot, uncomfortable, dangerous and potentially deadly garment that service no useful purpose whatsoever.

If compulsory, I concur, but if optional (and that can sometimes be a difficult line to draw) I see no harm.

[Uncle Al]

Carl,

If not a tie, what about The Asscot? (sp) Like a tie, but
more relaxed,... maybe?

Uncle Al
Duncanville, TX

[crfriend]

If not a tie, what about The Asscot? (sp) Like a tie, but more relaxed,... maybe?

I wear ascots. I used to have three, but two seem to have gone missing (which is a tragedy because they were family heirlooms and were silk); the one that I have left is dark blue and made of polyester.

They're useful and shouldn't be discounted.

[JRMILLER]

Carl,
I will check my drawer, Toni seems to be of the opinion we are sharing clothing!

[crfriend]

I will check my drawer, Toni seems to be of the opinion we are sharing clothing!

OK, who installed a translocator in my top drawer?

[Since1982]

The first, last and only time in my entire 66 years of life that I wore a tie was for my high school graduation picture and IT was a clip on. I didn't wear one for either of my college graduations, because by that time, 1964 and 1966, it was the "Oh lets not" generation. Hippies didn't wear ties, EVER...In 1970 I did wear a T-shirt that had a big wide tie printed on the front but that doesn't qualify as "wearing" a tie.

I never could understand why anyone would ever want a tight noose around his neck for his SO to grab and pull on. heh

This is my personal opinion, I care not a whit what others choose to wear. Personal choice IS, after all, personal.

[Peter v]

I am sure we all agree, that decoration, around the neck, should be our CHOICE. Whether it be an Ascot which is still very sjiek, the tie, or scarves, / sjawls. All are suited to their own specific use with certain other garments.

If we wish to do something about the "always hanging around care nothing relaxed look," which Crfriend mentioned, and of which I myself am getting very tired of, we can / could choose to dress (it) up somewhat with above mentioned. ( a tie with a T shirt doesn't look smart, so as with all other clothing, use where applicable)

Once the compulsary is taken out of it, then it is no issue any more, and wearing a tie or whatever, then shows that you dress individually, and with taste. Just as wearing a T shirt and Jeans can be a choice... although I believe that may be the thing (most) many men wear because it is easy, inexpensive, they don't have to think about what to wear, and they don't care, which we all have the right to do, but I might be wrong.

[Departed Member]

All,

It ocurrs to me that maybe ties and high heels have a connection. Neither one serves any useful purpose beyond enhancing one's appearance, and both of them do so at considerable cost to comfort. When worn, each one makes a statement that the wearer has chosen looks over comfort, and thus can't be expected to do any down and dirty activities or labor.

I haven't worn a tie in many years, but I sure do like wearing high heels. I'm willing to put up with the discomfort and physical limitations because they look sexy and make me feel extra good when I dress femme.

Regards, John

[Since1982]

If we wish to do something about the "always hanging around care nothing relaxed look," which Crfriend mentioned, and of which I myself am getting very tired of

What exactly are you getting very tired of? Something said on this forum? I hope not, 'cause that might be the pot calling the kettle black.

[Sylvain]

There was a sect in a nearby village that made compulsory for men to wear ties (so their main chakra could be connected to the sky energy) and for woman to wear skirts or dresses (so their main chakra could be connected to the ground energy...)

[Peter v]

If we wish to do something about the "always hanging around care nothing relaxed look," which Crfriend mentioned, and of which I myself am getting very tired of

What exactly are you getting very tired of? Something said on this forum? I hope not, 'cause that might be the pot calling the kettle black.

No In the context of what was being said, I am getting a little tired of the "always hanging around relaxed look", which up until now has dominated men's fashion somewhat. That doesn't mean that men shouldn't escape fashion corectness, but it is nice to see men and women dressed neatly, even when not at work. In some cases then ties would be very smart. Buying the corect size shirt and wearing the tie correctly in that case should prevent any unpleasantness. It is somewhat difficult to describe correctly in only a few words.

When dressing easily, casually, like in t shirt and jeans, everywhere, also at work, that becomes the norm. and then when you want to dress casually, there is no escaping what is already worn daily. Also it depends on your jobs, I believe pleasant to be able to wear clothes in which you look smart / good, like a suit, ie a nice blouse/shirt and blazer / cardigan, and a pleasant skirt. In short neatly dressed. Those clothes are generally more vulnerable, and need some care. Which prevents you from doing "dirty jobs" in them. ( a pleasant excuse for keeping clean) Again there are so many factors which I cannnot mention, as it would become a book in itself, I am afraid.

definitely no reference to what is said in the forum.

[Grok]

Bola tie