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ChristopherJ wrote:I got some photos of myself outdoors. But I've been told here that men who wear mini skirts and tights "could give MIS a bad name - as no-one would take them seriously!".

Huh!

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Those were your words taken as a quote from one of your previous posts. After having read the article again I would say sure, your photo could be there as representative of the freestyler POV. You might want to remove the spam comment from your Myspace page about the MIS wiki article now that it's been "resolved". And Mark is not gone; he's alive and well both in the Radical Faeries and Skirts Wiki definitions.

binx

binx wrote:Looks safe, honest, decent, and somewhat macho. But the picture caption claims that the jeans kilt was designed by the author. Is this true?
binx

Yes.

I wore this kilt also in a TV program. It's still available online, but I can't download it because my browser doesn't have the required plugin.

Here's the link:
http://www.rvu.nl/clubvan100/article.php?i=3&l=0&n=1441
and scroll down until the heading 'Clubvan100.nl televisie (14)'. It's in that wonderful language called 'Dutch'.

The kilt is made from strips of heavy jeans cloth (outside of the pleats) intermittent with black lining (inside of the pleats). This makes the kilt less bulky, however it's an enormous amount of stitching work. The kilt is fastened by a velcro on the inside (left hand) and a piece of leather string with 2 metal loops on the outside (right hand).

Jan

The pleats are excellent!:cheer: I would think that the caption of the photo would be designed and created by the model or your name; as it reads now Bard is the designer.

binx

We need at least one more good photo. Any takers? I'm not good looking enough!

I see that Jan's really great, stylish photo has been deleted/removed and Mark Allyn's usual two goon-like offerings are back. This is getting VERY TEDIOUS.

Dick Ackerman wrote:If someone wants to use some of my photos please feel free to do so. What can I say they are just me. Thanks for the endorsement.

Dick Ackerman

http://www.geocities.com/rdackerm/photo1.html

ChristopherJ wrote:
Put a photo of me up there - I got great legs! :cheer:

http://www.myspace.com/man_in_a_skirt

One of me you may use, as well.

binx

After having read the article again I would say sure, your photo could be there as representative of the freestyler POV. You might want to remove the spam comment from your Myspace page about the MIS wiki article now that it's been "resolved".

I've removed the spam comment from the MySpace page.

I would like an example of a "freestyle" type of skirtwearer on that Wikki page. None that I have are as well done as that photo of Kiltair thought - that is excellent.

That one on the front of my MySpace thing might be OK as an example - here it is:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/97013621@N00/410726521/

At least I look friendly and unthreatening! :cheer:

If no-one objects, I'll try and put it on to the Wikki page. Or maybe someone can do it for me - as I don't know how to do that. We can always take it off later.

Hi,

I have uploaded and inserted the photo's of Binx and Christopher on the MIS page.

- I didn't know which one to chose from Dick's album.. so I didn't. Anyone any preferences? I'd prefer the all-black utilikilt outfit, but the red flashes might make it unsuitable?
- The images are tagged as licensed for 'for wikipedia only'; This is a temporarily license and they might be removed soon. Better license is 'public domain', but I didn't know I had the permission to do that. Let me know..
- Binx, Christoper: any text to be added to the photo's? I didn't know if I can use your name..

I have added the 'kilt paradox' section. What do you think? Please be free to add, correct or even delete...

Greetings,

Jan

Christopher, I'm not sure about your photo there. The point was made before about the 'extra baggage' carried by mark's images. I think we should stick purely to skirts, without other things like tights to confuse the issue.

Binx looks ok, imo. If we are going to have a third image, I think it should be a catwalk model - possibly something sharp, colourful and well tailored. Or maybe a sarong, or a modern kilt.

Steve 1 wrote:[...]I'm not sure about [ChristopherJ's] photo [...]. The point was made before about the 'extra baggage' carried by mark's images. I think we should stick purely to skirts, without other things like tights to confuse the issue.

One thing I'm hoping for right now is to not witness a "rerun" of the schism that erupted, apparently with great vitriol, between the "bravehearts" and "freestylers" a few years ago -- in fact, I hope that we've gotten beyond that. True, there comes a point where "aggressive or "overly exuberant" freestyling" can look like it's turned into "crossdressing", but I suspect that, for the most part, your average bloke will stop short of that point.

As far as my "extra baggage" comment was concerned, that had more to do with the "extra research" I did on the subject, not particularly with the images themselves, although, as has been pointed out, they represent fashions that are well off the centerline.

Steve 1 wrote:Binx looks ok, imo. If we are going to have a third image, I think it should be a catwalk model - possibly something sharp, colourful and well tailored. Or maybe a sarong, or a modern kilt.

Binx needs his "infamous blue hat".

Interestingly, I find that Jan's professionally-shot image is far more "edgy" than Binx's very safe denim rig. The monochrome on Jan's disguises, quite handily, the fabric and gives it a very dramatic look; Binx's, on the other hand, and this may actually be a "Good Thing" (Sorry, Martha), looks like a digi-cam shot taken whilst on holiday at a tourist destination.

Getting a GPL catwalk photograph may be a bit of a problem given some of the rather byzantine rules that seem to exist on the use of photographs. Anyway, I hope that one shows up and can be used to give the page the completeness and polish it needs.

crfriend wrote:One thing I'm hoping for right now is to not witness a "rerun" of the schism that erupted, apparently with great vitriol, between the "bravehearts" and "freestylers" a few years ago -- in fact, I hope that we've gotten beyond that. True, there comes a point where "aggressive or "overly exuberant" freestyling" can look like it's turned into "crossdressing", but I suspect that, for the most part, your average bloke will stop short of that point.

As far as my "extra baggage" comment was concerned, that had more to do with the "extra research" I did on the subject, not particularly with the images themselves, although, as has been pointed out, they represent fashions that are well off the centerline.

Your tights are also well off the centreline. They represent a very atypical style amongst MIS. If you want to describe the merits of tights for men, it needs a separate article. This article is about skirts, that's all.

I was on Tom's Cafe for the famous 'schism'. It wasn't really that much of a schism. It was a separating of people into 2 camps by formalising and comparing their aims; and it was a natural development of the movement. Some people took sides, which were argued well from all points. But this isn't about that difference. The article is just about skirts for men; nothing else.

crfriend wrote:
Interestingly, I find that Jan's professionally-shot image is far more "edgy" than Binx's very safe denim rig. The monochrome on Jan's disguises, quite handily, the fabric and gives it a very dramatic look; Binx's, on the other hand, and this may actually be a "Good Thing" (Sorry, Martha), looks like a digi-cam shot taken whilst on holiday at a tourist destination.

Exactly what it is. Thanks Jan. What's one do for a public domain license? Update: I released the image to public domain with the appropriate tag.

binx

How does the law work these days?
If I had a picture of nobody but myself, barbecuing some meat say, so that there is nothing in the image that shows or could be connected with anybody or anything, you know, maybe fell-walking. If I was to submit the image to the wiki would there be any legal problems? My photo's of sailing holidays in years past which are available on my web-site, could the people involved get nasty with me?

Christopher, I'm not sure about your photo there. The point was made before about the 'extra baggage' carried by mark's images. I think we should stick purely to skirts, without other things like tights to confuse the issue.

In my opinion, it's OK - as the Wikki article is all about skirts for men and any photos that are on the page are simply illustrating a few different styles etc. Tights are not mentioned in the article and so are not relevant. You may as well make the same remark about moustaches.

In any case, the Wikki page must clearly indicate that a variety of styles are followed by different MIS - and it would be both unfair and misleading to pretend that the 'braveheart look' is dominant. I feel that the article should stress the diversity that exists within MIS.

However, I'm easy every which way with this. Obviously, I would prefer if that photo is left on the Wikki page - as I think it is a valid example of a 'modern' style of MIS. However, I am happy to go along with the majority view on this forum, as I respect the views that I hear here.

I should just point out though that:

• Men invented tights - to be worn by men.
• Men have been wearing tights for hundreds of years.
• Women only began wearing tights about 50 years ago.
• It's the middle of winter!

:ninjajig:

- Binx, Christoper: any text to be added to the photo's? I didn't know if I can use your name..

If my photo is used on Wikki then I am happy to have my name used. My real name is Christopher. J is my middle initial. A suitable bit of text for the photo could be: "Christopher - denim mini-skirt". That would be enough, I think.

Your tights are also well off the centreline. They represent a very atypical style amongst MIS.

What is the 'typical' style then, Steve?