Women ridiculed for wearing trousers --

[sapphire]

Hmm..... Let's say that general acceptance of women trousers happened around 1970.. I graduated from high school in 1967 and girls were not allowered to wear trousers to school. My experience (limited to the New York/Philadelphia metro corridor at the time) is that by 1970 trousers for women were accepted in many plpaces: School shopping, some workplaces and sometimes in church

That's a span ofat least 89 years.

I mentioned this before but, I have a picture of my grandmother The picture was taken in 1916 when she was 20 years old. In the picture, she is wearing a man's suit. The suit belonged to my grandfather and my grandfather took the picture. It was considered a scandal that she wore mens clothing.

[DavidsSkirts]

This is so funny to read.

I also have to keep saying this...Pants were men's garments only, and women who wear them are crossdressing.

However I like the idea of being looked at and laughed at over not being seen. Perhaps this is an attitude we should adopt.

Pants were womens clothes a couple of thousand years back (look to the fashions in the Middle East and Northern Asia at that time..), when they were adopted by men to make horseriding and some work more comfortable....

They then fell out of fashion as womens garments in much of the world, until being resurected - for comfort and practical reasons, again - in the late 19th and early 20th centuries..

Skirt like garments remained as a men's clothing choice up until a couple of hundred years ago, when they fell out of fashion in several western countries - though they are still worn by over 70% of the male population, at some time, on a world-wide basis.

[DavidsSkirts]

No, I truly meant what I said. The subjugation of women in our society is a much bigger problem than lack of fashion freedom for men. Moreover, fashion freedom for men requires that men in general have a more respectful attitude toward women. While we haven't gotten to that goal yet, this article shows how far we really have come.

Women have come a long way since the late 19th Century:

* they didn't have the vote at that time;
* they didn't have the rights and freedoms that they enjoy now (except for the Middle East, and some parts of Asia and Africa..) - some women will no doubt complain that they still have some way to go, but just point them back to that era - no vote, half-pay, restrictive clothing choices; women in Australia, New Zealand, the USA and Canada had a certain amount of freedom at that time - but their 'sisters' in Europe, Asia and Africa didn't {and often still don't..}..
* they have wider opportunities for work, education and travel these days;
*they have more "fashion freedom" than we mere males...



.. and if people want more respect - either as a group or individually - they could show more respect in turn, both for others and for themselves..
And it often said that respect is something that is earned, and not a 'right'.

[Artemis]

My experience (limited to the New York/Philadelphia metro corridor at the time) is that by 1970 trousers for women were accepted in many places: School shopping, some workplaces and sometimes in church

Seems Australia was a bit behind then. I was being ostracized in the late 80's in Brisbane for wearing slacks to work. By the early 90's it was acceptable in the more casual work places, and definitely in Melbourne by the second half of the 90's.

I look forward to the day when gender is irrelevant in everything except those biological functions tied to specific body parts.

As little as 3 years ago I was denied a promotion because I was female due to the belief our clients wouldn't accept me (despite the fact I was already doing the job and they did). But that's been an anomaly in the IT world I work in - gender usually is irrelevant, of far more importance is whether you're a Trekkie or Star Wars fan.