Bridesmaid

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When my daughter married, the groom's best man was his best friend who also happened to be female. As best 'man', she dressed as a man, to the extent of having men's trousers altered and putting her hair up under the top hat. She made a passable man. Cross-dressing big time :? Some of the older members of the wedding party were somewhat bemused. I was not very amused; but I was seeing the situation from a different (more enlightened?) angle.

The tables have turned, and now the best 'man' is getting married. Her chief bridesmaid is my son-in-law (he's even organising the hen night). I, and others have suggested he wear a dress, or at least a skirt. He's going part-way and having a suit made out from the same material as the other bridemaids (the chicken!!). Now, if I was in his shoes .....

I don't know if we'll be invited to the wedding. If we are, I'm tempted to wear a 21st Century kilt.

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Come on, Charlie! It's just got to be the full bridesmaid's outfit - equality and all that! It's only until after the formal reception, surely!
Try some powerful 'incentives', free beer for a week, or something similar. If he has a (male) suit made up, he'll just look like a 'shirt-lifter', sorry to say!!!!!!!!! :? :shock: :o :D
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Come on, Charlie! It's just got to be the full bridesmaid's outfit - equality and all that! It's only until after the formal reception, surely!
Try some powerful 'incentives', free beer for a week, or something similar. If he has a (male) suit made up in their material, he'll just look like a 'shirt-lifter', sorry to say!!!!!!!!! :? :shock: :o :D
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merlin wrote:Come on, Charlie! It's just got to be the full bridesmaid's outfit - equality and all that! It's only until after the formal reception, surely!
I sympathise with Charlie's son-in-law on this one. Full turnabout would, indeed, be fair play in this instance, but to properly pull it off the lad would have to go the whole nine yards into crossdressing, including fake boobs, and I can't imagine that going over terribly well. Typical bridesmaids' dresses are usually designed to show off a good portion of what blokes just don't have.

What he could do, however, especially if he's going to go to the trouble to have something custom-sewn, would be to do a well tailored "shirt-dress" and then wear a waistcoat over it in contrasting colour. That would solve the "equality problem" without requiring fake hardware (or is it, in this case, "firmware"?). It would "go" with the rest of the group, and make a strong individual statement as well.

Shirtdresses are getting very uncommon these days; I saw one yesterday for the first time in several years and thought to myself, "With a few tweaks, mostly to the collar area, that'd make a damn fine man's dress." It'd have t o be a custom job, of course, and require skills I currently lack, but it's an idea for the back burner. Given how rare they are on women, I think they're fair game for guys.
Merlin wrote:Try some powerful 'incentives', free beer for a week, or something similar.
Sometimes bribes just don't work. Whilst I gleefully thumb my nose at convention by wearing skirts in public, there's precisely no way I'd don a rig that'd require me to fake body parts that I lack (or require "tucking", for that matter). Or, at least not for a paltry week's worth of free beer.
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Whilst my reply to Charlie was obviously 'tongue-in-cheek', I really like your suggestion, Carl! :D Waistcoats are a rare commodity, these days, except at weddings & other formal 'do's. It would certainly emphasise the 'masculinity' of the outfit's wearer. Mind you, everyone'll probably be wearing raincoats, wellies and sporting umbrellas, if the current weather trends here continue! :(
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I wouldn't mind to wear a complete bridesmaid outfit with shoes,accessories,etc.Of course no fake boobs,it is about equality,not impersonating the opposite sex;some bridesmaid dresses are compatible for men as far as I know.
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merlin wrote:Come on, Charlie! It's just got to be the full bridesmaid's outfit
I've always been interested in the concept of ballgowns for men...seriously!
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crfriend wrote:
merlin wrote:Come on, Charlie! It's just got to be the full bridesmaid's outfit - equality and all that! It's only until after the formal reception, surely!
... but to properly pull it off the lad would have to go the whole nine yards into crossdressing, including fake boobs, and I can't imagine that going over terribly well. Typical bridesmaids' dresses are usually designed to show off a good portion of what blokes just don't have.
But not all. After all, it's not just men that don't have a lot to show off in that department. A lot of women don't, either. Nor do most younger girls. I'm sure there are designs that aren't based on the idea that "a girl's two most important assets" are to be found in her brassiere. Such designs wouldn't require the "fake boobs."

It would be interesting fashion design problem -- to come up with a bridesmaid dress that would work well for both men and women. (Well, once you get past the prejudice against men wearing "feminine" clothing.) I think you'd have to go back to the original idea of bridesmaids as "virginal" (=innocent, a bit naive, and not "experienced") companions of the bride-to-be. That's not incompatible with being male, even if we guys are trained to feel we have to pretend that we've been "experienced" since before we could walk.

crfriend wrote:... I saw [a shirtdress] yesterday for the first time in several years and thought to myself, "With a few tweaks, mostly to the collar area, that'd make a damn fine man's dress." It'd have t o be a custom job, of course, and require skills I currently lack, but it's an idea for the back burner.
Yes, I've wanted to come up with a good shirtdress design for myself for over a year. As usual, I've dithered about the styling and never even sketched one out.

I don't have a lot of experience doing tops, and they're trickier than skirts, so it would take some time plus some experimentation, which is hard to do when you're doing it by yourself. Maybe I need to find another MIS to help me out.

Say, that's another idea: have a get-together of MIS to do some clothing design "hacking", sort of like computer hackers' weekends.

(Quick, somebody stop me! My idea hamster is running amok :!: )

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Good point about the collar.

I would picture a man's shirtdress as being based on an oxford-style dress shirt, with collar, lapels, etc. (Sorry, I don't actually know all the correct terms for the parts of the garment.)

Below the waist I'm not equally sure. With the above-described bodice most ladies' shirtdresses would have a full line of buttons to the hem. I'm inclined to think that a gents garment would not have this feature...

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ChrisM wrote:I'm inclined to think that a gents garment would not have this feature... C
Bit like a gent's nightshirt, but with a straight hem, perhaps?
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I would picture a man's shirtdress as being based on an oxford-style dress shirt, with collar,
If I were going to buy a shirtdress, I'd buy the classic style designed by "ladress.com" - they only make one style of dress but in a variety of colours.

http://www.ladress.com/cms/index.php?st ... d0cd4b7f4c

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ChrisM wrote:I would picture a man's shirtdress as being based on an oxford-style dress shirt, with collar, lapels, etc.
That's the same effect I was thinking about -- a typical man's Oxford-style dress shirt with an attached skirt. I'd be tempted to fit the shirt portion a bit better than what's commonly available these days (which fit like tents), but not to the point where it'd be form-fitting or otherwise "tight"; it'd be a style best worn by beanstalks, however, but that's mainly because I'm thinking of it with my shape in mind.
ChrisM wrote:Below the waist I'm not equally sure. With the above-described bodice most ladies' shirtdresses would have a full line of buttons to the hem. I'm inclined to think that a gents garment would not have this feature...
I'd leave that to the individual designer and wearer. Being able to button or unbutton parts might be useful depending on climate and whimsy. Personally, I'd probably run the buttons right down the front and avoid the hassle of trying to come up with a precise stopping point for the front opening. Some of that is laziness (getting the lower bound of the opening would be tricky) and some of it is to preserve the vertical line.
Stu wrote:If I were going to buy a shirtdress, I'd buy the classic style designed by "ladress.com"[...]
That's a fine-looking garment, and I really like the longer lengths; it's a startlingly good starting point. The devil, however, is in the details, and I suspect that such a garment would not work on a man "off the peg" -- it's the collar again, and the sleeves. I'd use a straight man's style collar that you could wear a necktie (aka "strangulation device") with and not have it look silly, and I'd use sleeves that would look right under a jacket (they can always be rolled up). Too, the princess seaming is wrong for a bloke because it's there to accomodate "assets" we (most of us) don't have and would lead to an improper fit -- a better-fitting design for a man would be to have the darts and gathers in the back to fit the back of the bodice (hell, it's a dress term and we are talking dresses here) more closely than most modern tents (no matter how I try, I can never get a clean line at my back when viewed in profile; every shirt I have baloons in back).
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