Closing Window of Opportunity

[timemeddler]

I've been saying this for awhile, don't get connected to lgbtq in any way if you want manly skirting to be a thing, I would say be vocal about not being one of them, now time may be running short.

But if you're one of them, then this advice won't be helpful.

TM we have acceptance for men in skirts. People now accept that the population is diverse. We can freely go about our business in a skirt or a dress it's our choice what we choose to wear. Yes there are some corners of society where it is still frowned upon. Ok you can't have everything and it will take time.
Yet you are now advocating what we won't accept? And this will improve acceptance for MIS? Who are we to now pass judgement on others?

Men in skirts isn't about lgbtq, so why would you want people to associate us with it if it isn't the case?

[Faldaguy]

But if you're one of them, then this advice won't be helpful.

TM we have acceptance for men in skirts. People now accept that the population is diverse. We can freely go about our business in a skirt or a dress it's our choice what we choose to wear. Yes there are some corners of society where it is still frowned upon. Ok you can't have everything and it will take time.
Yet you are now advocating what we won't accept? And this will improve acceptance for MIS? Who are we to now pass judgement on others?

Men in skirts isn't about lgbtq, so why would you want people to associate us with it if it isn't the case?

TM: Perhaps the implications of the word "associate" is confusing. My take is the fundamental notion is simply to be respectful to all individual choices. It is not an encouragement to become a member of any particular "group" -- in fact, if anything, undoing "boxes" of any kind if more in keeping with what I'm reading into these comments.

If push came to shove -- I'd favor supporting the "out-group" rather than denying them the respect they too deserve. It is those who insist upon boxes and labeling the "OTHER" that needs to be squashed.

[mr seamstress]

TM we have acceptance for men in skirts. People now accept that the population is diverse. We can freely go about our business in a skirt or a dress it's our choice what we choose to wear. Yes there are some corners of society where it is still frowned upon. Ok you can't have everything and it will take time.
Yet you are now advocating what we won't accept? And this will improve acceptance for MIS? Who are we to now pass judgement on others?

Men in skirts isn't about lgbtq, so why would you want people to associate us with it if it isn't the case?

TM: Perhaps the implications of the word "associate" is confusing. My take is the fundamental notion is simply to be respectful to all individual choices. It is not an encouragement to become a member of any particular "group" -- in fact, if anything, undoing "boxes" of any kind if more in keeping with what I'm reading into these comments.

If push came to shove -- I'd favor supporting the "out-group" rather than denying them the respect they too deserve. It is those who insist upon boxes and labeling the "OTHER" that needs to be squashed.

Pushing one group out will not help our cause. The opposite would happen. By pushing one group out would do more in promoting dresses and skirts are women clothes only. This is the last thing we want. We want to desexualize dresses and skirts. Read what I posted on Re: Getting past fears of being perceived as gay, trans, etc.
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[Barleymower]

Men in skirts isn't about lgbtq, so why would you want people to associate us with it if it isn't the case?

No Men in skirts isn't about LGBTQIA+. We are just a bunch of guys who prefer wearing skirts to trousers, there is no "us". I do not want to start labelling people or labelling ourselves. Labels divide people, I think we need less labels not more labels.

"People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am. So, I dislike and despise groups of people but I love individuals. Every person you look at; you can see the universe in their eyes, if you're really looking."

[Grok]

As I think of it, the goal is to de-gender skirts. A general type of garment that half the population has been almost entirely excluded from.

Reach a state where trousers are now, something anybody can wear, regardless of their background.

[Yaun]

I think, a society, which is open to LGBTQIA+ would also easier accept MIS as normal. I also don't want to be labeled, but if it had to be one, 'weird' would be a reasonable choice...

[Barleymower]

I think, a society, which is open to LGBTQIA+ would also easier accept MIS as normal. I also don't want to be labeled, but if it had to be one, 'weird' would be a reasonable choice...

We are seeing things the same way Yaun. A tolerant society is the end goal. If we are intolerant with other we can receive tolerance in return.

[yardstick]

I think, a society, which is open to LGBTQIA+ would also easier accept MIS as normal. I also don't want to be labeled, but if it had to be one, 'weird' would be a reasonable choice...

This reminds me of a thread a couple of years ago which sparked quite a debate viewtopic.php?t=24730&hilit=weird+box where some members were not so keen to be described as "weird" which is why I tend to use the term "Eccentric" to describe myself if needed as there is less risk of others taking the term the wrong way.

We are seeing things the same way Yaun. A tolerant society is the end goal. If we are intolerant with other we can receive tolerance in return.

And this is exactly what we want, yes we'd love to see a lot more men in Skirts so it becomes accepted but to still leave room for a bit of individuality.

[timemeddler]

I think, a society, which is open to LGBTQIA+ would also easier accept MIS as normal. I also don't want to be labeled, but if it had to be one, 'weird' would be a reasonable choice...

The group that is the source of the stereotypes and labels that scares guys out of skirts?

[timemeddler]

It has been warned by crfriend that skirted garments may soon become signifiers for LGBTQ. In which case, we can expect the average straight male to reject the idea of trying skirts. Normalizing Men In Skirts will be pushed far into the future, beyond our life times. Comments?

Already was, now how to break that stereotype?

[jamie001]

I think, a society, which is open to LGBTQIA+ would also easier accept MIS as normal. I also don't want to be labeled, but if it had to be one, 'weird' would be a reasonable choice...

The group that is the source of the stereotypes and labels that scares guys out of skirts?

I believe that the main problem with getting men into skirts is that they are very worried about being perceived as the “F-Word”. FEMININE. Most men pay a lot of lip service to women being equal to men, but in reality they still suffer from the indoctrination that women are inferior and association with anything feminine is prohibited.

One way for men to get into skirts is to truly accept women as equals and lose the fear of being perceived as feminine. Realize that allowing yourself to embrace feminine things opens up a whole new world of being and relating to the world, rather than being stuck forever and being strangled in the ManBox.