My public journey #2 - London

[robehickman]

The sooner that people stop abiding by those mental constraints, the sooner the situation will change.

That day is far away Robbie, I can say that with absolute certainty. I know because I live in a town centre with primary schools and secondary schools within a short walk of my front door. All the girls and boys know the difference between boys and girls. They also know that girls wear whatever they want and boys wear boys clothes. Which around here is almost universally tracksuit bottoms and a hoody. These kids will be men and women in ten years.

The problem is that this forum claims to be interested in promoting skirted garments for everyone, yet nobody is actively doing anything to promote this end goal. The majority of what happens here are obsessive negative and self-defeatist behaviours. This will not change anything.

There are so many vectors people could be utilising which are just empty. For example most of what is on YouTube is people using skirts as a joke, not practical and actionable advice, debunking gender norms or such. One could also utilise other social media, or give in person talks or presentations (talking about [rad-fem hate-speech redacted] in a school perhaps?).

Chip with the 'everybodyskirts' website is doing WAY more positive action than the majority of the backlog of this forum - he talks about how to adopt skirts into male fashion in ways that work harmoniously with the male body, providing simple, actionable styling advice. Much more like this is needed.

Things change when serious, contented, and persistent effort is made to change them.

[Faldaguy]

The problem is that this forum claims to be interested in promoting skirted garments for everyone, yet nobody is actively doing anything to promote this end goal. The majority of what happens here are obsessive negative and self-defeatist behaviours. This will not change anything.

There are so many vectors people could be utilising which are just empty. For example most of what is on YouTube is people using skirts as a joke, not practical and actionable advice, debunking gender norms or such. One could also utilise other social media, or give in person talks or presentations (talking about [rad-fem hate-speech redacted] in a school perhaps?).

Chip with the 'everybodyskirts' website is doing WAY more positive action than the majority of the backlog of this forum - he talks about how to adopt skirts into male fashion in ways that work harmoniously with the male body, providing simple, actionable styling advice. Much more like this is needed.

Things change when serious, contented, and persistent effort is made to change them.

Sorry, but I find your comments disingenuous, uninformed, and definitely not helpful. If I recall from your early posts you have been wearing skirts in limited circles of circle-dances and the like where it is relatively well established and accepted for men to wear skirts. Since then, you have harped endlessly about "style" that fits a man's body shape--as the one true answer that will allow men to break through the acceptance barrier.

Yes, there are a multitude of avenues available, and I think you will find many in this forum partake of several including some of us have posted on EverybodySkirts, which indeed carries a lot of good info; and a bunch of "confessions" that, in my mind, are fun but tend to belittle the skirt wearing chap. There is an on-going list of sites about MIS always listed here; and frequent comments from many of the members who actively scan and report on their findings about pertinent articles in other places. If you find or believe there are better ways to promote MIS, go for it yourself -- don't debase the thousands that have come and gone from SC and it's earlier renditions that tend to believe helping one another get past their initial fears and become part of the common public in a skirt is most helpful and essential.

Yes, we discuss, and often recycle, conversations about the obstacles MIS face -- as the membership revolves with a flow of newer members finding SC, participating while it meets their needs, and moving on -- there are always new folks who are back in kindergarten with their qualms and enthusiasm for wearing skirts -- who, from my reading, truly find SC useful. In short, if you want to encourage MIS through other avenues, go for it and all the more power to you. Meantime, I don't think a single approach (style for men's bodies) or lambasting SC discussions is helpful.

[Jim]

The problem is that this forum claims to be interested in promoting skirted garments for everyone, yet nobody is actively doing anything to promote this end goal.

I have higher priorities, including feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, Christian naturism, telling people the Good News, opposing tyranny, promoting justice for the poor, and family health problems.

I'll just go about these things wearing a skirt much of the time, but not paying much attention to the skirt. That's my little part making skirts more mainstream.

[crfriend]

The problem is that this forum claims to be interested in promoting skirted garments for everyone, yet nobody is actively doing anything to promote this end goal. The majority of what happens here are obsessive negative and self-defeatist behaviours. This will not change anything.

Since when is appearing in public, sometimes en masse but usually individually, in our chosen styles (and opening ourselves to criticism, potential grief and abuse, or worse) considered an "obsessive negative and self-defeatist behaviour". I'd say it's a lot more effective in exposing the general public to the notion than getting up on a one-trick pony of a "Universal style answer" that DOES NOT EXIST. There are as many answers as there men who have a sense of style; one of the problems we face is that there IS NO generally agreed-upon standard just as there is not one universal body type. The first time you see a one-trick pony it's novel and might be interesting. After many iterations of the one trick, however, it grows tedious -- especially if it flies in the face of what you know your reality to be -- and there we have another dirty little fact: that we all have slightly different realities; we are not of a universal shape; we do not share universal views; live in different places with different levels of stability and safety, and finally have differing tastes in what we happen to like and find attractive.

There are so many vectors people could be utilising which are just empty. For example most of what is on YouTube is people using skirts as a joke, not practical and actionable advice, debunking gender norms or such. One could also utilise other social media, or give in person talks or presentations (talking about [rad-fem hate-speech redacted] in a school perhaps?).

All of those can be undertaken more effectively in person in public. YouTube is, quite perhaps, one of the biggest time-sinks of all time. I can read something in 1/10th of the time than a talking head in a video can read the PiddlePoint slides to me. And, also every time I leave the house I debunk a lot of the cr@p that gets spewed about "masculinity".

Things change when serious, contented, and persistent effort is made to change them.

Indeed, like going out into the world around you and living the message you're espousing. Just like we do here.