What women really think

[Ozdelights]

I am fortunate to live where I am free to wear what I like without interference from legislation, and there is little chance of that changing. I suspect that is the same for many on this forum, but that's not so for everyone.

As much as we would want to restrict political discussion, I understand those facing changing conditions on their clothing choices need somewhere to express and discuss their situation. The title of a thread should give some indication of the content and if it doesn't interest me I don't have to read it.

Aren't we here to discuss and support each other in advancing the ability of men to wear skirts if they desire?

[Uncle Al]

Aren't we here to discuss and support each other in advancing the ability of men to wear skirts if they desire?

YES ! !


( It seems like too many people have forgotten this )


Uncle Al

[Barleymower]

I started this thread after an experiment to find out the depth of resentment from women.
What I found out is that there is very little bad feeling about men wearing skirts. Most women are reasonably content with men dressing as they choose.

Essentially men and women are saying the same thing. Wear what you want, be who you are.

They problem they have is when men dress in skirts and dresses and masquerade as women. Suddenly the penny drops. How would i feel if I saw a women in jeans and sweatshirt and she had put a false penis in her trousers and wore a false beard?

We are a small minority but there is room for us in this mixed up world. I hear the same thing every day here: "nobody bats an eye". It will take a long time but eventually not batting an eye will be become acceptance and freindship.

For what it is worth I support the LGBTQ+ communities. Their's is the most difficult life. They need everyones support to be their true selves.

[STEVIE]

Essentially men and women are saying the same thing. Wear what you want, be who you are.

Except for the few who think otherwise and minority or not, they cause the problems.
Steve.

[Susie]

Given the title of this thread - this women thinks you'll get nowhere promoting MIS if you keep undermining each other.

"Divide and conquer'"

[Barleymower]

Given the title of this thread - this women thinks you'll get nowhere promoting MIS if you keep undermining each other.

"Divide and conquer'"

Except for the few who think otherwise and minority or not, they cause the problems.
Steve.

"People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am."

Thats why i like you Steve and Mouse, Jeff, Tony, Kieran and all the guys and girls here on the Cafe. I'm not so keen on those who want to exclude others who don"t fit the mould.

[DrFishnets]

In the words of the late great comedian George Carlin…

"People are wonderful. I love individuals. I hate groups of people. I
hate a group of people with a 'common purpose'. 'Cause pretty soon
they have little hats. And armbands. And fight songs. And a list of people they're going to visit at 3am. So, I dislike and despise groups of people but I love individuals. Every person you look at; you can see the universe
in their eyes, if you're really looking."

Another quote from George Carlin…

"The larger the group, the more toxic, the more of your beauty as an individual you have to surrender for the sake of group thought. And when you suspend your individual beauty you also give up a lot of your humanity. You will do things in the name of a group that you would never do on your own. Injuring, hurting, killing, drinking are all part of it, because you've lost your identity, because you now owe your allegiance to this thing that's bigger than you are
and that controls you."
~ GEORGE CARLIN

[Barleymower]

You one of the good ones DrF for sure.
Yes, I didnt make up the quote, in my defence I put the quote in inverted commas.
The person or people you are not allowed to criticise are the one(s).in charge. On that basis the cafe is not that bad.

[MrSoapsud]

Some of the comments here (including Susie's "Divide and Conquer") remind me of the poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller. Put "The Rainbow mob", "Crossdressers", "trans-people" and any other category about whom you think "we're not like them" in place of the categories in the poem.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

[Edited because I missed the ) ! ]

[Barleymower]

Talking to my daughter about nonconforming to gender expectations, she said "you started wearing skirts to support us" (my daughter is gender fluid). I said no, if I said I did it just for you I would be lying, I did it for myself. But I did do it for you aswell. I was seen as not understanding and I absolutely do understand so I joined the fun by wearing a skirt myself. She asked me why I arrange the meetups. I said because one day I would like to see a 1000 MIS filling Hyde Park with their famillies and you have fot start somewhere. She then said then you need to do more like battling it out with the radfems on Mumsnet.
So I went back. I found this thread. Its well old but might as well have been penned yesterday.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rig ... dium=share

Well I need not have worried about what faced me. The women over there are OVERWHELMINGLY in favour of men wearing skirts. They often said that men should be able to wear what they want and were well aware of the barriers we face. They agreed that if anyone objects to MIS it wont be women.
A few did say they would not date one but plenty said they would and found skirted men very attractive. If however they got a sniff of things like AGP they would be gone. Which is fair enough.
218 comments and well worth a read.
My favourite comment was Society doesnt approve of men in skirts but then society thought that Brexit and Boris Johnson were good ideas.

[STEVIE]

The women over there are OVERWHELMINGLY in favour of men wearing skirts. They often said that men should be able to wear what they want and were well aware of the barriers we face. They agreed that if anyone objects to MIS it wont be women.
A few did say they would not date one but plenty said they would and found skirted men very attractive. If however they got a sniff of things like AGP they would be gone.

Women in generally supportive of MIS BM, I think we can all agree on that one.
However, I'd be considerably more cautious when it comes to the "attractive" assertions and that is further muddied if the skirt is a Kilt.
The "not my man" attitude is still the most likely view of individual women to specific men in skirts and the MIS who actually have fully supportive partners are exceptionally lucky fellows.
We know this from experience, don't we?
If you ever think the thousand, even a hundred will be achieved, put my name down!
Steve

[Barleymower]

Women in generally supportive of MIS BM, I think we can all agree on that one.
However, I'd be considerably more cautious when it comes to the "attractive" assertions and that is further muddied if the skirt is a Kilt.
The "not my man" attitude is still the most likely view of individual women to specific men in skirts and the MIS who actually have fully supportive partners are exceptionally lucky fellows.
We know this from experience, don't we?
If you ever think the thousand, even a hundred will be achieved, put my name down!
Steve

I agree that women are not the problem. Unfortunately for me the women close to me were very anti "all that" that's why I was so I was securely under wraps for 50 years. I could not face the anger and disgust from them and the mens laughter. Don't blame me for being suspicious now.

What about other women? I feel like I've sat round with a full spectum of them and listened to their opinions. The feminist want to end the oppression, skirts are one for them. So in a literal way they are completey in favour of MIS. Many of the other women are into MIS, kilts especially. They had several other ideas for types of dress/tunic/skirt that can be worn and hang onto societies version of manhood. They also said that a man can wear any skirt and be attractive, it's in how he carries himself - so we carry ourselves well! They don't want to be a beard , trans widow, a man with AGP or be criticised or embarrassed. I think it takes a brave women to choose an MIS when she could just pick anither man.
I don't pretend to know. These are just my observations.

A 1000 MIS meetup? We will get there and I'll toast you with a cup of tea when we do.

[DrFishnets]

I remember reading about a man wearing a skirt and he had a conversation with a woman on a train and the woman actually told him that she feels a lot safer around a man in a skirt. I forget where a I read it.

My partner (who fully supports me wearing skirts) told me a similar story where she was at a Hogmanay party in Edinburgh and she felt safer and less intimidated around men in kilts and MIS in fancy dress.

The only woman that had issues with me wearing a skirt was my aunty. I wrote about that incident elsewhere on the skirt cafe forum and a few elderly women in town including one elderly woman who I overhead saying “Is that a man? to her friend when she past by me. However, the majority don’t bat an eyelid and one or two of them have actually complimented me including a young woman at the university grounds who liked what I was wearing and a young woman at my local shop who liked my style. I have a female friend at my guitar group who says my skirt outfits are beautiful.

[Grok]

Many of the other women are into MIS, kilts especially. They had several other ideas for types of dress/tunic/skirt that can be worn and hang onto societies version of manhood. They also said that a man can wear any skirt and be attractive, it's in how he carries himself - so we carry ourselves well!

I wonder what designs these women viewed as promising.

[Barleymower]

Many of the other women are into MIS, kilts especially. They had several other ideas for types of dress/tunic/skirt that can be worn and hang onto societies version of manhood. They also said that a man can wear any skirt and be attractive, it's in how he carries himself - so we carry ourselves well!

I wonder what designs these women viewed as promising.

Typically robes designed for men:
Sarong
kilt
lavalava
Djellaba
Solwar Kameez.

Notable men in skirts from the thread: Prince, Harry, David B, Brian Molko and Robert Sheehan.

It has to be said they talk like a bunch of half drunk blokes on a stag do.