Stop Assuming Biological Male in Skirt = MIS (They're probably pre-op transwomen)

[TSH]

I really don't see what the point of this thread is. Society brandishing identities on people for their sartorial choices is a reason why MiS hasn't caught on. Trans people make up, at most, %2 of the global population. People fight more for trans rights than men's rights to wear traditionally feminine attire because that's a more important concern at the moment. It's why MiS seems even more of a rarity than transwomen. It doesn't even make sense to just tell people to stop assuming that a biological male person in a skirt — who has zero indicators of being trans is a MiS, when you have scores of close-minded, belligerent, judgemental assholes who are all too happy to pass judgements on OUR gender identity, our sexual orientation, our mental capacity, and even OUR OWN CHARACTER for just wearing a skirt. This is a much more important issue on this forum than accidentally misgendering some person we don't even know is trans or cis — that's much less malicious than what we go through.

This place is supposed to be about advocating for greater gender expression for men when it comes to clothing. The fact that it's possible that a AMAB in a skirt could be trans before operation doesn't change that. This discussion feels like it's diverting away from that purpose to talk about trans issues for no apparent reason. They have their own problems to deal with, and so do we.

[Uncle Al]

Well said, TSH, well said

Uncle Al

[Stu]

I don't think I have a problem distinguishing between MIS guys and trans women. The latter usually have other feminine items of clothing like blouses or women's tops, female shoes, accessories like handbags and jewellery. They usually wear lipstick, eye shadow and mascara. They might be natural women with masculine features for all I know, so I don't make firm assumptions. When I see a fellow MIS guy, he is just a man who has chosen a skirt rather than trousers.

[DrFishnets]

The only so called feminine clothing I wear are dresses, skirts, tights (fishnets, opaques and sheer nylons) and leggings. I wear women’s jackets like leather biker jackets or trench coats but they were originally male wear anyway. Sometimes I wear ripped black jeans with fishnets underneath. I don’t wear make-up though I sometimes paint my fingernails black and I wear necklaces. I have a goaty beard but it’s only on my chin. I always wear big men’s boots like Doc Martens or Chelsea boots with my outfits.

[Grok]

At the end of the day, if you think there's nothing wrong with being gay or trans, why is it a problem if people speculate whether you're gay or trans?

Because that would discourage women from wanting a romantic relationship with you.

[Grok]

BTW my soon to be ex-wife of 44 years still maintains that I am trying to look like a female, sadly there are many more like her out there.

MIS is outside their frame of reference. MIS has been so suppressed by society, that it may not occur to some people that some men like a skirt as a garment, rather than as gender/sexual expression.