Using the Restroom and Fear

[Ray]

You’re playing with numbers now.

You live in a dangerous country presided over by a comvicted felon. I do not.

I choose the UK every time. Or France, Spain, Germany, Portugal - to name but a few. You mention “oppressed”. That amuses me. You have no concept of the term if you think the UK is oppressed. Are you getting your news from Fox and/or X?

I can also go to the toilet without fear. Evidently, in large tracts of your country, you cannot - so you carry a concealed firearm. That tells its own story.

[Ray]

Ps the murder rate per million population is still FOUR times that of the UK. Still smug?

[Midas]

This is a daft thread. It doesn’t apply to us (or what we should be). We are men who just happen to choose to wear skirts and dresses, therefore we should use the Gents, not the Ladies facilities.

Our choice of clothing does not give us the right to invade women’s spaces. This debate has arisen because some men (however they define themselves) ignore the rights of women and want to invade their territory.

I wear a dress most of the time and always use public urinals. I have done this while in a dress in busy motorway service stations and other areas with a large number and diversity of people. I have had no problems at all, because I am obviously a man using male facilities, which is how it should be.

If you aren’t comfortable doing that, the answer is to dress differently or stay at home. It is entirely unreasonable to expect to use women’s toilets.

[Myopic Bookworm]

We are men who just happen to choose to wear skirts and dresses, therefore we should use the Gents, not the Ladies facilities.

Our choice of clothing does not give us the right to invade women’s spaces. This debate has arisen because some men (however they define themselves) ignore the rights of women and want to invade their territory.

It is entirely unreasonable to expect to use women’s toilets.

I agree that this is not relevant to us, who identify as men and want to wear what we like.

I agree that men should not expect to use the women's facilities, however they are dressed; unless they have in a very practical sense ceased to be men. I disagree that the debate is because men that want to "invade" women's territory. Those who not only identify as women but have had chemical and surgical transition are not a threat to women, and UK law needs to catch up with this fact. However, those people who have transitioned socially but not medically pose a clear problem, and neither UK law nor the trans lobby has yet come up with a workable solution.

(To put it bluntly, if you are a male drag artist or a cross-dressing gay, you should be in the men's room. If you have had your willy surgically removed and live entirely as a woman, you are in a different category altogether.)

Personally, I regard my nonconformity in dress as a potential aid to social acceptance of difference, since it will accustom men to seeing people in skirts and dresses in men's spaces, and so lessen the huge social problem arising from demanding that trans women use men's spaces.

[Uncle Al]

Many thoughts have been shared in this thread.
Many agree that there is no fear in using a restroom.
There are a paranoid few which want to spread their fear
to the rest of Skirt Cafe' members.

Politics has been brought up, again, which has nothing to do
with Men In Skirts. See Rule #2 - which doesn't apply here.

We are here to support each other, not spread fear, as some would do.

This thread as jumped the tracks and will be locked.

Uncle Al