Tatler

[Warren]

Hi all

Stumbled across this article today:

https://www.tatler.com/article/royal-as ... luid-looks

Quite surprised to find Tatler covering this sort of stuff.

[crfriend]

Stumbled across this article today:

https://www.tatler.com/article/royal-as ... luid-looks

Quite surprised to find Tatler covering this sort of stuff.

I wonder if the mainstream press are ever going to spill any ink regarding the 90% who are not on the SD spectrum. It's about time they did.

The entirely safe answer to the above is a categorical, "No". I'm sick of this. I'm tired of the attempted brainwashing and the incessant propaganda. I've gone so far as to simply start deleting (supposedly official) that mentions "Pride!" or "LGBTQWTF" because I'm so done with it. This madness has been going on for a half-century, and still hasn't made a real quantifiable impact.

Propaganda works on the stupid and unsuspecting. It does not work on the intelligent. Full stop. It was tiresome 20 years ago and has only gotten worse since then. Colour me politically-incorrect. It'd be accurate.

[Myopic Bookworm]

I'm tired of the attempted brainwashing and the incessant propaganda.

Imagine how tired some other people are of decades and decades of attempted brainwashing and incessant propaganda about how only opposite-sex relationships are valid and everyone must fit neatly into traditional male and female boxes. (It's still there, but you don't notice it because you're accustomed to it.)

Why do you consider that your own brand of social deviance is the only acceptable one?

[crfriend]

Why do you consider that your own brand of social deviance is the only acceptable one?

It's a phenomenon known as "compassion fatigue". One can have a "message" shoved at him for only so long before one tires of it.

Note my earlier commentary on the matter and where the matter actually matters -- and it's not all that often.

[howardfh]

Genuine question, what can a male skirt-wearer (rather than transvestite) wear at a "black tie" do? I've been asked to attend one...Shirt/tie/black jacket, black skirt?? Deffo not wearing a kilt, kinds defeats the object in a way!

Saw one of those on holiday and a group of "black tie" men were waddling across the road, they looked like penguins.

[Dust]

Genuine question, what can a male skirt-wearer (rather than transvestite) wear at a "black tie" do? I've been asked to attend one...Shirt/tie/black jacket, black skirt?? Deffo not wearing a kilt, kinds defeats the object in a way!

Saw one of those on holiday and a group of "black tie" men were waddling across the road, they looked like penguins.

I think you can get tux skirts. They are sold more for wait staff, but if you got a men's jacket that matched, that might be an option. Maybe... I picked up a short one to mess with a buddy of mine who wanted me in his wedding, but never used it. I would NOT wear anything short. There might be a long version you could get somewhere.

There was also that one actor who wore a tux-gown thing once, but that was likely very custom and one off. Not really you are looking for either, unless it is your event.

I would probably look for a floor length black skirt, something in wool or satin, (probably without much if any slit) and swap that into the rest of a men's tux. Black shoes of course, but whether that is men's tux shoes or an elegant pair of heels is more about what you'll be confident in. You might need the skirt hemmed to match the heel height you'll be wearing. There are such things as men's "opera pumps" if you can find them. I'd avoid platforms, and anything with much decoration at all.

Good luck!

[steamman]

Anything that promotes males whether they are gender non conforming or not wearing skirts and dresses is a good thing. I couldn’t care less what labels someone else might put on me: if articles like this raise awareness that guys wearing skirts/dresses/heels is not a problem, people will start to get used to it. That’s a good thing.

[Myopic Bookworm]

Genuine question, what can a male skirt-wearer (rather than transvestite) wear at a "black tie" do? I've been asked to attend one...Shirt/tie/black jacket, black skirt?? Deffo not wearing a kilt, kinds defeats the object in a way!

The minimal move would be to wear a plain black kilt with knee socks, rather than a tartan one.

I am hoping to go to a black tie dinner later in the year. Last year I went in fairly traditional black tie, but my OH agreed with me that the company was sufficiently open-minded that I should go in a skirt next time. Plan A - modelled on the sort of thing she wears for choral concerts when the men are in black tie - would be to combine the usual DJ/tuxedo and white dress shirt with a formal black skirt, mid-calf length, over black tights and either black suede boots or patent leather T-bar shoes (aka Mary Janes). An additional step away from the tedious norm would be to wear a black dress shirt. (Following the women's conventions, I think a floor length skirt might be over-formal: more like the parallel to white tie and tails for men. But it depends on the level of formality you expect.)

[new2skirts]

Genuine question, what can a male skirt-wearer (rather than transvestite) wear at a "black tie" do? I've been asked to attend one...Shirt/tie/black jacket, black skirt?? Deffo not wearing a kilt, kinds defeats the object in a way!

The minimal move would be to wear a plain black kilt with knee socks, rather than a tartan one.

I am hoping to go to a black tie dinner later in the year. Last year I went in fairly traditional black tie, but my OH agreed with me that the company was sufficiently open-minded that I should go in a skirt next time. Plan A - modelled on the sort of thing she wears for choral concerts when the men are in black tie - would be to combine the usual DJ/tuxedo and white dress shirt with a formal black skirt, mid-calf length, over black tights and either black suede boots or patent leather T-bar shoes (aka Mary Janes). An additional step away from the tedious norm would be to wear a black dress shirt. (Following the women's conventions, I think a floor length skirt might be over-formal: more like the parallel to white tie and tails for men. But it depends on the level of formality you expect.)

Simon Jersey have some nice pinstripe "morning dress" style skirts on ebay which would look good with black tights and court shoes. Team it with a waistcoat. The skirts are about 27" in length