Thoughts Re: Protocols Inspired by the “Tennessee… “ Thread

[rode_kater]

That said, there are two critical counterarguments. One, the Founding Fathers* did not even try to list all of the freedoms implied in citizenship because they knew that someone in the future might try to argue that something that wasn't listed that common sense would say is a right could be abridged because it wasn't specifically enumerated.

That's bizarre. The argument for not writing down rights is because at some point someone might think anything not written down is not a right? The problem with common sense is that it's not as common as you think. It should have been a argument for making it easier to recognise new rights as they are thought of.

(Also freedom implied by citizenship? Another one of those odd US quirks: foreigners don't get the same rights).

But I agree with you that the argument around Roe vs Wade is terribly weak. Like you say, it assumes either a right to privacy or a right to bodily integrity, neither of which are mentioned in the constitution. I'm also of the opinion that these sorts of things shouldn't be decided by courts but by the legislature. But I'm aware that's not going to happen.

Which ties in with another thought: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Europeans Convention of Human Rights were never put to any kind of public vote. I think that's for a very simple reason: they would not pass. People like the idea of human rights for themselves but are wary of the idea of granting them to others. A proposal to add the right to privacy to the US constitution now would never pass because people would interpret it as a backdoor to allowing abortion.

tl;dr human beings are strange creatures

[Myopic Bookworm]

But I agree with you that the argument around Roe vs Wade is terribly weak. Like you say, it assumes either a right to privacy or a right to bodily integrity, neither of which are mentioned in the constitution.

I'd be very surprised if an alternative is not found. Even an originalist should surely concede that the constitution grants no rights to the unborn - they are not citizens until they are born - so it seems to me that a clash of rights between a woman and an embryo has to be resolved in favour of the woman, as an actual citizen over a merely potential future citizen. The only line of counter-argument that I can think of relies on asserting that US law must implicitly embody Christian moral values, but that contravenes the separation of church and state (as well as begging the question on whether Christian canon law, as distinct from popular Christian sentiment, recognizes the rights of the unborn).

[Fred in Skirts]

AND HOW DOES ALL OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH WEARING SKIRTS????
Please take this to forums that are not about skirts and the wearing of them.
Thank you!

[crfriend]

AND HOW DOES ALL OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH WEARING SKIRTS????

I have a sneaking suspicion it's because we're so immersed in that toxic stream that the wounds are getting raw and folks are starting to speak up about the matter. One can hardly blame them. The challenge is in keeping it reasonably civil.

[Uncle Al]

people, People, PEOPLE

PLEASE - - - - - The Changes at the Cafe' thread is for and about upcoming software
upgrades, problems getting access or someone making a 'suggestion' for a new 'sub-forum'
or process at Skirt Cafe'.

SOMEWHERE along these lines, people are forgetting about the "Guide lines"(rules)
for the Cafe', which were put into place August 27, 2007 and have served us quite well.

Every one on this forum, is guilty of political thread drift, in one form or another.
This covers ALL countries, not just the U.S.

Rule #2 was put into place for a reason and most all Cafe' members seem to forget
about Rule #2 and the rest of the 'Rules' governing conduct at Skirt Cafe'.

So, can we all act like adults here and not spoiled little children, throwing a tantrum,
because He/She/It didn't get their way

The Admin/Mod staff works diligently to keep a "laid-back" yet even hand on the
operations at Skirt Cafe'. Many-many discussions are held on what to do about
"this thread or that person", behind the scenes, sometimes on a daily basis.
(Even KP duty - this is a Cafe' after all.)

Now - - May we get this forum back on track, supporting Men In Skirts/Kilts
as a DAILY occurrence



Uncle Al

[denimini]

Yes, the initial post was correctly placed but the thread has strayed for a bit too long. The courteous thing to do is for a poster who wants to continue with the drift would be to start another topic, in the right area.
A good recent example is Faldaguy starting "Do you get more help when wearing a skirt?", and quoting from another thread.