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Post by oldsalt1 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:09 am

First sinned you feel sorry for those who have to live here. Boy for such a bad place there sure are a hell of a lot of people trying to get in


Moon unlike other countries you can leave. Pack up and get the f--k out but you wont because no matter where you went you would be worse off

What ever you feel your present circumstance is. I am sure that there are many people from other countries who would love to trade places with you.
This seems to be a common myopic, ethnocentric view many Yanks have of themselves; borne it seems out of naivety. Indeed a lot of folks are trying to enter the US -- mostly economic refuges or persons seeking a few extra dollars they can send home to their families until they too can return to their home country. Yes, there are many countries that are worse off -- often times due to the hegemonic US policies. An easy read, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, by John Perkins will give you some insight; IMF and World Bank history too will add a lot of scope. Far too much of the USA's allure is comes from an immoral use of weapons, power, and inequity--hardly decent reasons to be proud. Many arriving at the US borders are poorly informed, desperate, and believe the myths of streets paved with gold.

Yes, a few countries, not many may impose restrictions upon leaving. Withholding visas, high passport costs, economic impoverishment, and family obligations add difficulty to immigration be it from the US or Haiti, or.... As noted by others, many would or have tried to enter other countries to be turned away due to age, health, lack of wealth, or skills -- it is not easy, but not impossible. Personally, I'd be living in NZ if my pockets were deep enough to be granted residency. There are many places one would be "better" off -- not necessarily worse -- this is one of the huge blind spots of many in the US -- thinking they are exceptional in all ways -- but in some ways they are exceptionally lousy.

Certainly the grass may seem "greener on the other side of the fence" (from either side of it) and folks might think they would like to trade places -- but that does not mean the country is better by a moral, ethical, legal, educational, environmental, economic, health or happiness standard. So far as I can determine, there are no perfect countries -- most have many flaws, just a different mix of flaws. I think it is good that some countries "permit" folks to to complain and agitate for improvements in theirs, or others. This should not be viewed as a crime, but honored as caring, often despite some real risk. The blind acceptance of one's "leaders" is foolishness that leads to fascism. Sadly, in the US today much of the moral certitude has disappeared, and Trump makes a mockery of honorable leadership -- the US has become the laughing stock of most of the world save those who also seek to live by an iron fist backed up with weapons and the economic clout borne of theft and horrendous debt. Of course, you need to read beyond Fox News to begin to see the US from other than its typically ethnocentric belly gazing. And Old Salt, I say this as one who spent several years in the USMC; working with a Faith based lobby on the Hill for policy changes, as well as having had the privilege of observing the US from living abroad.
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Well put Faldaguy!

Nearly all developed countries guarantee pretty much the same civil liberties as the US so we're not exceptional in that regard as we had been.

In my opinion, where we have fallen far, far behind is in taking care of the average individual, let alone the economically poorest of our brothers and sisters. The US is the only country I know of where medical bills lead to so many personal bankruptcies. Our income and wealth inequality makes us an international outlier and is destroying our system of government. I could go all night, but I need my sleep more than I need to grind out a screed.
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There's also the matter of taxes, where ever I might go, I'd obviously have to pay income taxes there (Canada would me most likely), yet until I would become naturalized in the foreign country, I'd also continue to owe the IRS, and maybe even the state of Virginia (or so I've been told)

Thus, that's three sets of taxes coming out. I'm just a blue color laborer, I'm not sure I could afford to be taxed to such an extent.
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Faldaguy wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:53 am An easy read, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, by John Perkins will give you some insight; IMF and World Bank history too will add a lot of scope.
Yes, I thought that book valuable in helping understand the world today.
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First off Faldaguy Thank you for your service

Its obvious that I am in the minority here on the café. I am happy with what I have and I am old and will probably die before Possibly Biden and his puppetiers Pelosi Schumer AOC etc,etc turn this country into the 3rd world cesspool where only those in power survive.

I see a lot of commentary about how the other countries are better than the US but all I see are generalities. no names the only country mentioned recently is NZ I am sure that it is a great place but unfortunately you have to meet certain financial standards to emigrate there . Nothing is sain about these requirements but if we were to try to impose theme here... lets see wee could change that to Give us your rich...…

I realize that FOX is biased and I look to other sources for my news.. Lately that easy I can just come here because most of the posts look exactly like CNN editorials

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oldsalt1 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:14 amI am happy with what I have and I am old and will probably die before Possibly Biden and his puppetiers Pelosi Schumer AOC etc,etc turn this country into the 3rd world cesspool where only those in power survive.
There it is: "I've got mine, now go away."

Grandfather Biden and crowd don't have to turn the place into a "3rd world cesspool"; that work was begun in the 1980s and finally finished off in 2008. The scuttling charges on the economy -- the real one, that is, the one that regular people live and work in -- were fired in March, 2020 and sank the entire enterprise. Certainly the super rich are not going to shed a tear over that, much less a buck to put things right again, because that'd mean "less" for them and they are ruled by greed.
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Maybe the World Happiness Report gives some indication why people leave countries to find something better. Maybe I'm the only exception to that rule. I went from the Netherlands (#5) to the USA (#19). But my wife makes up the difference and more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report
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What a wonderful notion that some countries actually take that notion seriously. It also goes a way to explain why the Dane, the German, and the Kiwi I met at the computer conference in 2018 were so happy and well-adjusted folks. What a change from here.

Of note is that the last study run is from 2019. I wonder what the results from 2020 will look like what with the virus lockdowns and whatnot, not to mention the economic implosion of the United States.
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oldsalt1 wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:09 am First sinned you feel sorry for those who have to live here. Boy for such a bad place there sure are a hell of a lot of people trying to get in


Moon unlike other countries you can leave. Pack up and get the f--k out but you wont because no matter where you went you would be worse off

What ever you feel your present circumstance is. I am sure that there are many people from other countries who would love to trade places with you.

Oldsalt you don't have to be so rude just because Moon has a different opinion of whose in the white house.Just because we don't agree with you.Look there's tons of things Trumps has done that I personally don't agree with period it's my right not to like the man and you can't take that away from anyone. You like him and worship him fine thats your right to do so but don't cram your liking down others throats and get pissed off enough to tell them to get the f out of the state just because they don't agree with you.
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moonshadow wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:44 am [

If I could leave this country... I would.


Every body is jumping on my ass re telling Moon to leave this country the above is his quote. not mine if he didn't mean it why did he say it


Sorry Moon I didn't mean to get so personal but this is a forum open to debate if you feel that you have the right to attack and criticize Trump than I have the right to come back and defend him
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oldsalt1 wrote: Every body is jumping on my ass re telling Moon to leave this country the above is his quote. not mine if he didn't mean it why did he say it
I said it because I meant it. I'm sorry, but I am just incredibly disappointed with the level of spitefulness, greed, self righteousness, etc that Trump has brought to the surface.

Truth be told, I suppose I owe Trump a debt of gratitude, I never realized how far gone the populous was, nor why other countries find us so obnoxious, until Trump brought it all out in the open.

Yes, I'd like to hang my hat somewhere we people are treated like people, rather than chattel for the ultra elite. I'd like to surround myself with spiritual and content people, that are part of a community. It's a dry well here man...

America is dog eat dog... I'm plumb wore out with it.
Sorry Moon I didn't mean to get so personal but this is a forum open to debate if you feel that you have the right to attack and criticize Trump than I have the right to come back and defend him
I've never even been within a hundred miles of Trump, so I'm not sure how I could attack him, if I tried or even made a threat, the secret service would be all over me.

I criticize him, because he's an evil man. Evil people deserve to be criticized, and I'll continue to do so until he stops, or they put me in the ground...

Stand by your man if that's what you feel you must do... but he is what he is.

I don't see what the big deal is... it's not like I'm commanding an opposing army against the sitting president of the U.S., perhaps if I were to do so, you'd honor me with a statue?
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oldsalt1 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:58 pm Every body is jumping on my ass re telling Moon to leave this country...
There was no real need to tell him and particularly no need to tell him in the way you did.  That wasn't defending a politician, it was being gratuitously offensive to another member of this group.
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oldsalt1 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:58 pm
moonshadow wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:44 am [

If I could leave this country... I would.


Every body is jumping on my ass re telling Moon to leave this country the above is his quote. not mine if he didn't mean it why did he say it


Sorry Moon I didn't mean to get so personal but this is a forum open to debate if you feel that you have the right to attack and criticize Trump than I have the right to come back and defend him

It's one thing if the debates are pleasant and you can learn to agree to disagree.The issue is the way you word your responses back to Moon you attack him at first hand.You have to understand that he's younger than you are and his opinions about situations are different from you being older.I'm not jumping on you just stating the obvious is all.

Let me enlighten you on something really think about this statement maybe you can understand what Moons getting at and why his frustration towards the President.

You remember when we got hit with the high jacked planes that hit the world trade center? I'm sure you do .Anyways that day the world united as one.People put their differences aside and came together. There was no one absolutely not one person was arguing over politics, who was in office, the color of skin nothing instead everyone came together and acted like America people in an awful tragedy. My point is our world today is suffering. Now I know you like the President I'm not knocking you for that however there's things the man has done that's made many people lose respect for him. When you become a leader to many people you have a job to uphold that job thats been placed under you.When you let your ego be so big that you result in letting the American people down you admit your faults and take it like a respected President.In Trumps case he never admits when he's wrong. Instead it's everyone else's fault. How can anyone look up to him when he can't even admit he makes mistakes? Things he does has people clashing against each other rather than coming together just like we did in 9/11. That's some of Moons points he tries to state. It's not to upset anyone that honors the President it's just we see some of the things he does that you can't dismiss he doesn't do. Like the things he says on Twitter what kind of President would do that and still expect the American people to stand by him? That's all.
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Dan, the ones trying to get into your country come from areas where their conditions are even worse so it looks the better option. We have the same here with refugees around the north coast of France trying to get across the English Channel. Even to the fact of French naval boats escorting dinghies containing refugees into British waters to get rid of them. I suspect this will get even worse when we finally do leave the EU as we will no longer be a member of the Club. Even so there was no need to lower your esteem by your comment to Moon. We all have the right, nay the obligation to criticise our own imperfect country and say that we's like to leave without someone telling us to f*ck of then.

Moon, I have criticised Trump many times and Dan has not called me out because he knows that I just couldn't give a sh*t if he did. For a barb to hurt is must have some measure of importance in your own internal schema. Anyway Trump has that Teflon quality whereby blame just seems to slide off him onto someones else. As I have said before if he does get re-elected then you have got the President that you deserve. His views are objectionable - it's just unfortunate that he's in such a dangerous position. He likes Twitter so that seems to me a good enough reason not to have a login for it. His intellect is somewhat below median and his grasp of knowledge is tenuous at best. "Is Finland part of Russia?" Trump being amazed t learn that Britain had nuclear weapons? He shows his ignorance all the time. You know what they say, "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
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"Ignorance is easily overcome, but ya can't fix stupid!"

Honestly, I'm amazed his handlers haven't taken his twitter account away, but this does go to show the level of decay involved.
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