Man in a dress on 'First Dates' television show

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As for tops,

I'll grant some men's bodies may not be built for womens tops. I myself am not very broad at the shoulder and I find that womens tops fit me fine.

I really wish I could wear them in more formal settings, as it is when dressing up for something formal I have to wear my one shirt for men... The problem is the shirt is very constraining and stuffy. I feel like I can't move in it.

My ladies tops are more stretchy and forgiving, and generally much more comfortable. Some stretchy ladies tops can look very formal, whereas the only thing stretchy in the men's department are tee shirts. Which is not something you'd wear to a wedding or job interview.

Then there is the matter of just looking nice with skirts. When I wear men's tops with skirts, I just doesn't look right to me. One of my first shots (photographs) looked like I was wearing a potato sack. The ladies tops seem to accentuate the curves of my upper half better and bring the whole look out.

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I have some tops that fit like a glove and are very comfortable because they are stretchy.
I don't worry about them showing off my boobs ( I hate calling them man boobs or moobs.). They are what they are and they are part of me and so what is the big deal. I just have never understood the problem in this regard. Why try to hide them??? :thumright:
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Hi All, but especially Dust,
Not a dress but that is me C1978. If you look closely, the waistcoat and trousers are one piece. Back then we would have called it a jumpsuit or catsuit and it was a one of a kind at the time, expensive too. It hung from the shoulders like a dress and was certainly the most comfortable bifurcated garment I have ever owned.
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If, on a woman it's a catsuit, then on a man should it be a dogsuit? It looks fine btw and most wouldn't notice it's a one piece garment. I wouldn't have if you hadn't brought my attention to it.
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STEVIE wrote:Not a dress but that is me C1978.
Two observations, Steve: (1) That's astonishingly cool, and if you hadn't pointed out that it was a jumpsuit I very likely would not have noticed, and (2) What an attractive couple. I hope it was at least marginally successful.

Also of note are the platform shoes. And the flowers on both parties.

I have a few photographs of me in the 1970s, but all of them are sufficiently hideous that it'd take one Hell of a bribe for me to scan any of 'em (and the only ones from the time were shot at the two proms I took my then-girlfriend to). She's cute in both, but I look like an absolute git.
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Hi All
The lady in question is my now wife. That occasion was my now sister in law's wedding, We married in 1981 and I wore a plain grey 3 piece.
The fashion for The Kilt at Scots weddings only became more popular in the mid to late 1980s and now it is considered almost obligatory.
The suit I am wearing was bespoke for me for the occasion of my own sister's wedding. I had the honour of giving her away and that was in 1977.
That cost just shy of £200 then and took 4 fitting sessions with the tailor. When the flairs went completely out of fashion I approached him with a view to having it adapted. The cost would have been significantly higher than the original as a complete re-build from the shoulder down would have been necessary. Fortunately, the jacket went on for a good number of years later. All in all I considered it money well spent as it was still a way of me cocking my proverbial snoot at convention.
In those days I would have been considered more akin to Paul in my preferred attire but that really would have been going too far by any standard.
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STEVIE wrote:Hi All, but especially Dust,
Not a dress but that is me C1978. If you look closely, the waistcoat and trousers are one piece. Back then we would have called it a jumpsuit or catsuit and it was a one of a kind at the time, expensive too. It hung from the shoulders like a dress and was certainly the most comfortable bifurcated garment I have ever owned.
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Thanks for the picture! That is awesome! I think something like this catching on would be a huge step in the right direction. Any idea where something like that could be found today? I've seen a picture or two of something similar before, but it was more of jacket and pants connected than pants and vest. I'll try to look for the image.

I have a friend who swears by suspenders, I image what you had there would be similar but with even more freedom at the waist.

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Dust wrote: Dresses are not only unbifurcated, but they are also one piece top and bottom. This is something else that is foreign to most men.
If I recall correctly, somebody pointed out that-culturally-we don't have experience with men wearing dress like garments. This is something that is foreign to our back ground.

As for skirt like garments, there has been a precedent in the kilt. The kilt has been the only social acceptable alternative to twin-pipes. Indeed, nearly all of the alternatives we see marketed are skirt like garments.
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Hi Dust,
Thanks for the compliments.
Check out your local tailors or seamstresses. I doubt that there would be any way of having a thing like that made from the internet.
The guy who made that one is unfortunately, long gone.
Your friend is correct about suspenders but we call them braces. I use them on some skirts to make them sit better and for the look too.
The real point is to find your own style by simply trying any variation that takes your fancy.
Most of all, enjoy the journey.
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I just finished watching this program, using the Telly extension in chrome. Makes me happy that the two agreed to see each other again. I can't say for sure if the dress was a factor or not, and that makes me happy too. There's apparently 5 days left for this to be online or something. Chrome. Telly extension.

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Wonderful Electric wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:26 pm
I just finished watching this program, using the Telly extension in chrome. Makes me happy that the two agreed to see each other again. I can't say for sure if the dress was a factor or not, and that makes me happy too. There's apparently 5 days left for this to be online or something. Chrome. Telly extension.
Quite a bit more than 5 days left :mrgreen: Just watched this again this morning
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There's a lovely chemistry between them, perhaps she's after his money as he's a pilot, lol
at one point she notices he''d gone and changed his tights after popping to the toilet to freshen up 8) He was a proper bloke, no mannerisms, he sat well as one would do in a skirt or dress. It'd be good if they did a re-cap on the couples a few months down the line, this was almost a year ago :roll:
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I saw one episode of this programme and was impressed. They seemed genuinely to try to match people without forcing them to come together. The setting was a luxury tropical hotel and the guests' arrivals were staggared.

Two couples were featured : one in their 70s and one in their twenties. The older couple had both endured hardship in the war and lost a partner. They were brought to the bar where the barman eased them into conversation before a dinner in which they shared their stories. A genuine warmth grew very quickly between them, and afterwards they agreed they would meet again to explore the relationship.

The young couple were presumably matched through their love of music, and there was an impromptu performance at the piano. Although they got on well enough as companions, it very quickly became obvious that they were not romantically suited. They would stay in touch as friends but no more. However, the day before the young man had met a girl whose dare did not work out. In conversation they discovered a lot in common, including the early death of a parent. The girl was allowed an extra night at the hotel and subsequent to three show they began seeing each other and were married later in the year.

I tell this story because it suggests strongly that they producers were genuinely trying to find someone who could love Paul for who he is, dresses and all. It shows that reality TV can be real and still work, and that it provides a window into how normal wearing skirts and dresses can be for a man.

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