Man-cami

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Re: Man-cami

Postby Gusto10 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:03 am

Sinned wrote:A cami is such a simple garment and a man can wear one, I do often, and we wouldn't put "woman" as a prefix for any garment [0] so why should we pander to male insecurities [1] by adding "man" as a prefix to anything. Seems a bit crass to me. A cami is a tube worn on the upper body, generally plain with a low neckline and back and spaghetti straps. No, leave it out and just call it a cami. I wouldn't put "man" in front of "skirt" either. It's a skirt goddammit!!!!

[0] Pointless as a woman can wear ANY garment and it not be thought odd.
[1] Poor things, don't we feel sorry for them.

Sorry to say so, but in advertisements for skirts you will see most times that the text runs "womens skirt", thus implying that skirts for men, other than a kilt, exist. As a cami hasn't got the prefix of "women's" one might state that it's gender neutral attire and therefore there is no need for words like manisole etc.. If you would, than a cami for women would be a wamisole or something like that. As society is becoming more genderless, I do second your - Sinned - suggestion to leave out the prefixes of men's or women's when discussing attire.

@John, I believe Walmart does carry a bra for men: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Body-Aware-S ... /426343592
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Re: Man-cami

Postby hillaryskirt » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:05 pm

Gusto10 wrote:Sorry to say so, but in advertisements for skirts you will see most times that the text runs "womens skirt", thus implying that skirts for men, other than a kilt, exist. As a cami hasn't got the prefix of "women's" one might state that it's gender neutral attire and therefore there is no need for words like manisole etc.. If you would, than a cami for women would be a wamisole or something like that. As society is becoming more genderless, I do second your - Sinned - suggestion to leave out the prefixes of men's or women's when discussing attire.


I am just loving wamisole and manisole. :D
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Re: Man-cami

Postby JeffB1959 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:53 am

Sinned wrote:A cami is such a simple garment and a man can wear one, I do often, and we wouldn't put "woman" as a prefix for any garment [0] so why should we pander to male insecurities [1] by adding "man" as a prefix to anything. Seems a bit crass to me. A cami is a tube worn on the upper body, generally plain with a low neckline and back and spaghetti straps. No, leave it out and just call it a cami. I wouldn't put "man" in front of "skirt" either. It's a skirt goddammit!!!!

[0] Pointless as a woman can wear ANY garment and it not be thought odd.
[1] Poor things, don't we feel sorry for them.


Well said! I wore a cami for the first time ever on an outing yesterday and enjoyed the experience which included showing of my, ahem...."man cleavage"! :lol:
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Re: Man-cami

Postby Daryl » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:28 pm

Gusto10 wrote:Sorry to say so, but in advertisements for skirts you will see most times that the text runs "womens skirt", thus implying that skirts for men, other than a kilt, exist.


They are making the distinction between girls and women, not between women and men.

That Walmart makes a bra for men is mindblowing. However, the page it appears on is under the category
"Clothing/Women/Womens Lingerie & Shapewear/Womens Bras/Bras"

The word "women" appears 3 times in that path. I have to wonder if those bras are only available online.
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Re: Man-cami

Postby Daryl » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:38 pm

JeffB1959 wrote:I wore a cami for the first time ever on an outing yesterday and enjoyed the experience which included showing of my, ahem...."man cleavage"! :lol:


Heh, maybe we should use the prefix "man" for something in every reply to Dennis, just to mess with him!

I wear camis for sleeping exclusively over any other kind of top, and I don't think a day has gone by in months where I wasn't wearing one during the day at some point. I am almost surprised that they aren't already a staple of men's wear, sold right beside tank tops and t-shirts (both of which I find horrid garments, btw).
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Re: Man-cami

Postby Sinned » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:41 pm

Jeff, well done but the ones I wear don't have the "V" front - just a slightly curved one. Does yours have the adjustable straps? I find that camis come in two flavours - the slightly more expensive ones have adjustable straps and the cheaper ones don't. Having said that there isn't a vast difference in price.
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Re: Man-cami

Postby JeffB1959 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:37 pm

Sinned wrote:Jeff, well done but the ones I wear don't have the "V" front - just a slightly curved one. Does yours have the adjustable straps? I find that camis come in two flavours - the slightly more expensive ones have adjustable straps and the cheaper ones don't. Having said that there isn't a vast difference in price.


Mine don’t have adjustable straps. I don’t know if I’ve already mentioned this, but I bought that cami at Sears, two for eight bucks, I have them in black, navy, white and turquoise. I didn’t want to spend a lot of money on something I wasn’t sure I’d like, but I do, especially the deep plunging neckline.
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Re: Man-cami

Postby nzfreestyler » Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:33 am

Daryl wrote:
Gusto10 wrote:Sorry to say so, but in advertisements for skirts you will see most times that the text runs "womens skirt", thus implying that skirts for men, other than a kilt, exist.


They are making the distinction between girls and women, not between women and men.

That Walmart makes a bra for men is mindblowing. However, the page it appears on is under the category
"Clothing/Women/Womens Lingerie & Shapewear/Womens Bras/Bras"

The word "women" appears 3 times in that path. I have to wonder if those bras are only available online.


So what do they look like? I wear a bra, and I've learnt to just go to the lingerie section. and find what I like the look of and fit of - but it took attitude to begin with. I can imagine marketing this concept would be extremely hard because the target audience is small, and its such a personal sensitive subject. Its actually bloody hard to wear a bra. Woman/Man its a big self-conscious thing to go through to wear your first bra. I was so nervous.

On the cami subject - Camis are great options - I think anybody should and can wear them. You don't need boobs for one - they are such a practical layering garment! Awesome in summer under a top, great in the heat on their own. There is no difference between a singlet and a cami other than the straps are thinner - and perhaps the neckline is squarer cut - but really thats hardly anything. If a cami has a hidden shelf in it - which is common then theres a double layer over the chest - which is not a bad thing for man chests either.

Women wear singlets - oversize singlets, tees - why can't men wear camis? I see no issues.

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Re: Man-cami

Postby JeffB1959 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:32 am

One particular reason I've gravitated to camisoles is because they look more feminine than tank tops, even the styes aimed at women. And, like I said in a previous post, I've come to like the deep plunging neckline of a cami, especially the ones I bought.
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Re: Man-cami

Postby nzfreestyler » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:21 am

Hiya JeffB

yes the lines are nice. I like the squarer neckline and that square line across my chest. Its a nicer look than aboatneck or higher neckline.
If you like low cut necklines - you should try a plunge to your tummy button! I've got a couple of dresses that plunge that low - and its scary - well its just so unlike mens clothes to show so much skin.
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Re: Man-cami

Postby JeffB1959 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:33 pm

Perhaps my recent fondness for plunging necklines satisfies my need to be daring when I wear skirts and dresses. I mean, I have no problem sporting hemlines as small as 15 inches, so why not show off my man cleavage? HA! Short and sweet, it’s fun!
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Re: Man-cami

Postby nzfreestyler » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:37 pm

Well JeffB,

you've certainly got the legs for a short skirt/dress! And you do look good in your outfits so why not wear a cami/plunge if you want to?
even bare shoulders etc is so much cooler in summer than mens clothes that are all covered up!
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Re: Man-cami

Postby JeffB1959 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:24 am

nzfreestyler wrote:Well JeffB,

you've certainly got the legs for a short skirt/dress! And you do look good in your outfits so why not wear a cami/plunge if you want to?
even bare shoulders etc is so much cooler in summer than mens clothes that are all covered up!


Funny thing, when I first began wearing skirts/dresses, the idea of wearing minis was a serious nonstarter since I didn't have the confidence to sport something so daringly short. In fact, the first time I had worn a miniskirt, I was afraid to sit in the damn thing for fear of it riding up, today, I could care less if it does, I just LOVE showing off my long legs, maybe I'm an exhibitionist! Heh! Speaking of same, yeah, bare shoulders is so much more comfortable on a hot day, but that too was something I only recently came to enjoy and appreciate, today, I'm having a blast wearing spaghetti strap dresses and camisoles!
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Re: Man-cami

Postby nzfreestyler » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:43 am

me in a yellow cami and skirt last summer (still winter here - too cold brrrrrrrrr)
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Re: Man-cami

Postby Daryl » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:12 am

nzfreestyler wrote:
Daryl wrote:
Gusto10 wrote:Sorry to say so, but in advertisements for skirts you will see most times that the text runs "womens skirt", thus implying that skirts for men, other than a kilt, exist.


They are making the distinction between girls and women, not between women and men.

That Walmart makes a bra for men is mindblowing. However, the page it appears on is under the category
"Clothing/Women/Womens Lingerie & Shapewear/Womens Bras/Bras"

The word "women" appears 3 times in that path. I have to wonder if those bras are only available online.


So what do they look like? I wear a bra, and I've learnt to just go to the lingerie section. and find what I like the look of and fit of - but it took attitude to begin with. I can imagine marketing this concept would be extremely hard because the target audience is small, and its such a personal sensitive subject. Its actually bloody hard to wear a bra. Woman/Man its a big self-conscious thing to go through to wear your first bra. I was so nervous.

On the cami subject - Camis are great options - I think anybody should and can wear them. You don't need boobs for one - they are such a practical layering garment! Awesome in summer under a top, great in the heat on their own. There is no difference between a singlet and a cami other than the straps are thinner - and perhaps the neckline is squarer cut - but really thats hardly anything. If a cami has a hidden shelf in it - which is common then theres a double layer over the chest - which is not a bad thing for man chests either.

Women wear singlets - oversize singlets, tees - why can't men wear camis? I see no issues.
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Well, on the fellow in the Walmart page for that man-bra, it looks silly IMO, because that fellow has nothing to put in the bra. I have more up top than he does and still no reason to wear a bra. I have tried a sports bra and I like the hug around that group of muscles and my back quite a bit, but it has nothing to do with supporting my breasts. Your breasts, OTOH, could fill a bra enough to actually have some worthwhile effect and/or convenience, I imagine. They should have had you model it, not Mr. All-pecs-no-breasts.

The relationship of bras to their wearers is complex. They are at once intended to conceal and reveal, in addition to support, shape and frame. The equation for men, especially men not seeking to become or be identified as women, is bound to be different because the social norms are so different (not to mention the more natural urges). All of which is to say, "congratulations, you are officially a pioneer." :D

Agree totally on camis. I see no issues. Sell the things as men's wear, using heavily muscled models, and they will take off in the market place, but if men have to buy "women's" clothes to get them, all bets are off. Some sports logos or camouflage patterns, or skulls or liquour or beer or motorcycle branding would hellp too. :lol:
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