Dan, I think you got overly worked up over my comment.
A flag, any flag
is a piece of fabric.
By itself, it does not do anything to guarantee the liberties of our republic. If we were invaded, and you ran it up a flag pole and our forces retreated leaving the flag alone, the invader would just lower it and raise their own. It's an inanimate object. It means nothing without the souls who pursue freedom below it. And as has been the case throughout history, people have
committed atrocities, and
acts of virtue under the same flag.
And you can't sit here and berate someone for holding an unpopular opinion about the flag of the home nation or what it represents,
while at the same time proclaim that you stand for individual liberty. [0] The two principles are in
conflict. When we proceed down that path then we are on the road to tyranny. This is what got Germany in trouble, an unyielding allegiance to state, no matter what the cost.
[0] Though I will admit, you never actually said (to my knowledge) you stand for
individual liberty... Perhaps I just assumed so. Perhaps this is a good time to ask, where are your loyalties Dan? Will you obey the state at all cost? Even if it injures in innocent? If this is the case, than that it certainly your right, and I will respect it, and on that note, we shall just have to agree to disagree. But I am open to being corrected, and certainly hope that I am.
P.S. I'll bet you a shiny new nickel that the only part of my comment that will be quoted will be:
A flag, any flag is a piece of fabric. By itself, it does not do anything to guarantee the liberties of our republic....It means nothing
And this kiddies... is how propaganda, and lest we forget the newest trend, "fake news" is created...
Another example:
oldsalt1 wrote:MoonShadow wrote:It does seem rather silly to pledge to a piece of fabric.
Let me get this straight . Its ok for moon to come on the café and refer to the flag of my country as just a piece of fabric. and I should sit back and say that's just thread drift . No --------- way
My post was much more in depth that the one line you picked out and decided to get worked up over. Did you even bother to read anything else in the text?
Here's a little more... for the sake of context:
MoonShadow wrote:Growing up I heard it every morning and never really thought about its meaning. It does seem rather silly to pledge to a piece of fabric. Of course also included are the lines "and to the republic for which it stands". I'd hazard a guess that few children even know what a republic is, and probably figure it has something to do with Republicans. I'm not sure than I have recited the pledge since reaching the age of adulthood, and as we know a minor can not enter a binding contract.
In case you missed it, I bolded and underlined the punch line of that whole paragraph, it was to indicate that the pledge of allegiance does indeed have more to do than simply with a flag, for it is in the very text "AND to the Republic, for which it stands". The wording would have made more logical sense (to me anyway) had it been something like "I pledge allegiance to my Country, and to the Republic for which it stands".
Of course, if this were prior to the civil war, I might have said something like "I pledge allegiance to Virginia", such as Robert E Lee basically did, back when the states were truly sovereign.
...now there you done gone and done it... I fired up the dinosaur (my old computer) for this post... this took a lot of formatting.
One final note, I appreciate the
liberty to clear my name on this. I realize I have blatantly disregarded the rules of the cafe, and apologize in advance for this, I attempted to "let it go" however it was clear after several post that the only line Dan saw was the one where I referred to the flag as "just a piece of fabric". I, likewise find it very annoying when 99% of my words are ignored and someone chooses to pounce on one single line taken out of context.
I am doubly annoyed that it appears that I am being painted some type of "flag burning hippie", which couldn't be further from truth. And on that note, I feel there is nothing more I can extract out of this argument. So, to the mods, again I apologize for muddying the waters further, having nothing more to say, I believe this is now a dead horse, and I shall bow out.
I bid you good day sir!