When will men wear women's clothing...

[crfriend]

My eldest granddaughter asked me to drive her to her boyfriend's house and on the journey I took the opportunity to have a chat with her about why I wear skirts. She always seemed embarrassed when around me in my skirt. She appreciates a bit better now why I do wear one but she says that she can also appreciate MOH's feelings.

Overall, that sounds like progress. Sometimes these are difficult hills to climb.

[weeladdie18]

I am not clear what type of reply the O.P. was expecting to this thread....I have been happy and comfortable wearing my skirts

for years . .... I have never worked out why I am comfortable wearing the garment known as a skirt.

In some societies in warmer climates the male traditionally wears what we would term an unbiforcated garment.

In the traditional English Language there is no special word for a male skirt.

For example; I would quite happily wear a pencil skirt or an A line skirt. There is no name for this type of Male Garment as

worn in a Male or Unisex Context whilst communicating using the English Language.

Perhaps the Dictionary Definition is now incorrect in suggesting that a Skirt is a garment worn by the Female of the species.

The social transition of the wearing of the garment has never been addressed in terminology.....

...or am I missing a new word in my Vocabulary ? ....................weeladdie

[crfriend]

In the traditional English Language there is no special word for a male skirt.

That's the magic. There doesn't need to be. It's an inherently neuter term. It's only societal context that places it into the "female-only" category.

Highly specialised skirts -- which typically come with a rule-book an inch or so thick -- exist for men, and the hassles of getting through, and then adhering to all the rules therein, put many guys off the scent. Wouldn't it be nice to toss the "rulebook" into the nearest bin and get on with life?

I respect and value the brand of The Kilt, and I won't disparage it. But, for the rest of us, "Let there be skirts." Let there be simple ones, complex ones, elegant ones and sloppy ones. Just let there be skirts.

[Rokje]

And wear dresses. 3 months ago I told MOH, that I'm a woman in the body of a man. I was wearing skirts all day for 7 months or so. Now I can add dresses as well to my garment. With a little help from MOH.

All of my familiy and friends know, and they seem ok with my decision to live like a woman for the rest of my life. Finally, i can freely choose to wear what I want.

Enjoy

[shadowfax]

And wear dresses. 3 months ago I told MOH, that I'm a woman in the body of a man. I was wearing skirts all day for 7 months or so. Now I can add dresses as well to my garment. With a little help from MOH.

All of my familiy and friends know, and they seem ok with my decision to live like a woman for the rest of my life. Finally, i can freely choose to wear what I want.

You've made a brave decision, to be true to yourself. I hope that it all goes well for you.

[Rokje]

Thanks shadowfax.

Finally that burden is off my chest. Putting on women's clothing every morning makes me so happy

[skirts4me]

And wear dresses. 3 months ago I told MOH, that I'm a woman in the body of a man. I was wearing skirts all day for 7 months or so. Now I can add dresses as well to my garment. With a little help from MOH.

Whilst I support you in your tough decision I am always concerned when a male (young or old) feels that he is really a woman in a man's body because he feels more comfortable and free when dressed in an outfit others would describe as "women's wear" because that, to me, is saying "I can only wear these items if I am a woman, therefore I must be a woman." If we were really free to wear what we like, without others telling us we are dressed as women, would you still fell that you are woman in a man's body?

[Rokje]

I am a woman (in a man's body)

Even my psychologist thinks I am a woman. I take medicine to increase the level of estrogene not because i like to swallow pills, but to become a woman.
I am on a list to change my gender from male to female in a couple years. First I need to live like a woman in daily life, the surgeries are the last part if I want to.

My wife supports me 100% and we go out shopping together as 2 females.

[skirts4me]

I am a woman (in a man's body). Even my psychologist thinks I am a woman.

Thanks Rokje. That journey is long and can be difficult, so best wishes for you.
I raised the question as I know of many people who feel that they must be women because they want to wear what is socially acceptable for women, but when they realise that a man can wear those items and still be a man they feel much more at ease.

[moonshadow]

Be advised.... most women don't wear skirts...

Just sayin

[Rokje]

I know that Moon Shadow. I say that when you wanted to see some nice jeans, just look at the Dutch females knowadays. You'll be happy to see 1 skirt and 99 jeans out of the 100.

But I'm ok with a ladies jeans on my behind, and a girly pink top over my shoulders. I got al lot of tanktops , t-shirts, longsleeve shirts, dresses and skirts. All feminin style that I wear every day.

[crfriend]

If we were really free to wear what we like, without others telling us we are dressed as women, would you still fell that you are woman in a man's body?

I'm with Steven on this one. Given how massively cheapened and derided manhood and masculinity have become in recent years this is always a worry. Of note is that feeling emotion and preferring one style of garb (or even fabric) is not an indicator of "femininity" (whatever that is in the modern age) -- it's a point of balance and well-being in who you are.

What a strange world we now inhabit.

The above having been said, if your true path points you down that path, then follow the path you must. My only caution is that the signposts lie.

[moonshadow]

Here's an interesting hypothetical to ponder.... what if all the women and men in the world suddenly reversed their positions on everything: clothing, style, mannerisms, habits, societal roles, etc.... would you still think of yourself a woman?

Because I pondered that some time ago, and I concluded I'd still want to express myself as I always have, even if skirts and dresses were the exclusive domain of men. Thus, the final answer for me, was I'm just me- a very odd male, with an even stranger soul.

Although do not be misled by my "answers", for every answer, I hatch three to five new questions, to the point where the only thing I'm sure of- is I'm an idiot.

[Caultron]

Here's an interesting hypothetical to ponder.... what if all the women and men in the world suddenly reversed their positions on everything: clothing, style, mannerisms, habits, societal roles, etc.... would you still think of yourself a woman?...

That's a lot of hypotheticals, so many they would certainly have unpredictable results.

However, I believe there's a difference between wanting to dress and act as a woman and actually being one.

Kabuki and the original Shakespeare offer interesting examples, as do drag queens, but there are other sorts as well.

[pelmut]

I am always concerned when a male (young or old) feels that he is really a woman in a man's body because he feels more comfortable and free when dressed in an outfit others would describe as "women's wear" because that, to me, is saying "I can only wear these items if I am a woman, therefore I must be a woman." If we were really free to wear what we like, without others telling us we are dressed as women, would you still fell that you are woman in a man's body?

For many transgender people there is a phase when something like that occurs, but it is only one of many stages towards recognising the inner feeling that tell them whether they are or are not transgender; there are many more factors at work than just clothing. We can wear skirts and dresses as much as we like - but if we are not transgender, no amount of pressure from society or the media will convert us to being transgender (and vice-versa).

We each know our own underlying genders (how we want to interact with society) and it cannot be changed. Our gender presentation is something we can change, but that doesn't react back on our inderlying gender. Unfortunately our mode of dress is lazily assumed by society to be our gender expression; but for most of the people here, it isn't