Winter is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion of fashion elements and looks that are traditionally considered somewhat "femme" but are presented in a masculine context. This is NOT about transvestism or crossdressing.
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Re: Winter is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Stevie D wrote:The other issue here is one of geographical context. In the UK the p-word is not in common use. If you go into a shop and ask for "tights", everyone knows what you mean and you end up with the p-word garment, just as it should be. I'm not certain and will stand to be corrected, but if you ask for "tights" in a US store, do you not end up with something different - a bit like what we call "leggings", or possibly footless pant-y-water-delivery-tube?
Over on the left side of the pond if one asks for "tights" one gets "footed opaque legwear that goes up to the waist", which is different from the sheer type that is commonly known as (oh the heck with it) "pantyhose". Footless tights are called out as such. The term "leggings" is in use here and describes a garment that's designed to be explicitly worn as outerwear. Also, some of the heavier-weight tights, especially the technical or athletic type, are designed to be worn as outerwear.

Now, back on the language track, we have a term -- and a garment -- that's already accepted by the public as truly unisex -- tights -- and we have one that (here in North America) is indelibly identified with women -- "pantyhose". So, when a guy comments that he's wearing pantyhose he's essentially (in US usage) telling the world he's wearing women's underwear (bearing in mind that unlike leggings, pantyhose are designed to be worn under other garments). Why not use the term "sheer tights" instead?

The word "skirt", for the most part, does not have all the specific baggage that "pantyhose" has; "skirts" can be found in many places, and not just on the human form. It's the specific baggage -- which can be worked around -- that got my dander up.
Enough. I'm sure I have made my point.
Point taken, and the substitution-filter will get removed. I don't like the things on general principles, but would hope that we can get away from such word-focus.
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Re: Winter is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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crfriend wrote:
Stevie D wrote:The other issue here is one of geographical context. In the UK the p-word is not in common use. If you go into a shop and ask for "tights", everyone knows what you mean and you end up with the p-word garment, just as it should be. I'm not certain and will stand to be corrected, but if you ask for "tights" in a US store, do you not end up with something different - a bit like what we call "leggings", or possibly footless pant-y-water-delivery-tube?
Over on the left side of the pond if one asks for "tights" one gets "footed opaque legwear that goes up to the waist", which is different from the sheer type that is commonly known as (oh the heck with it) "pantyhose". Footless tights are called out as such. The term "leggings" is in use here and describes a garment that's designed to be explicitly worn as outerwear. Also, some of the heavier-weight tights, especially the technical or athletic type, are designed to be worn as outerwear.
With us, on the European continental margin, 'tights' by default, generally means the sheer version of the garment. If we want 'opaque tights' we ask for such. Other variations might include 'ribbed tights', 'patterned tights', 'fishnet tights', etc.
.... (bearing in mind that unlike leggings, pantyhose are designed to be worn under other garments).
I don't quite follow that bit of the argument. Pantyhose, sheer tights, opaque tights, even leggings - all can be worn partly as outerwear in the sense that some of it is going to be visible, depending on the length of skirt being worn at the same time. Indeed the visibility of it can be made into a feature of one's outfit. For example, I happen to like diamond-patterned opaque tights, which I wear with a knee length denim skirt.
Why not use the term "sheer tights" instead?
Yes - I guess that could be an option if one is really uncomfortable with the word 'pantyhose'. But I believe the choice of terminology in that respect is up to the individual, and not something which is dictated to by others.
Enough. I'm sure I have made my point.
Point taken, and the substitution-filter will get removed. I don't like the things on general principles, but would hope that we can get away from such word-focus.
Thank you, Carl! Time to move on now, I think.
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Joe Namath wore them: hose with pants, that is.

We just call them bologna skins
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Uncle Al wrote:*Mod Hat On*

John - - - - -

P A N T Y H O S E is an under-garment worn by women.
This name, P. H., is synonymous with women.

I'm sorry that you feel upset, but since you've 'broken' the house rules
with your continued use of gender specific nomenclature I can only say

Too Bad, So Sad :!: You have been asked not to use such wording
in your posts on numerous occasions. I've bitten my tongue many times
after reading some of your posts and have not responded to them.

Yes, I'm saying this - to you - in public. I'm not going to send you a PM
as too many have already been sent :!:

Please abide by the house rules.

If necessary we will have Big George, the Cafe' Bouncer,
escort you from the premises.

*Mod Hat Off*


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JohnH wrote:
Uncle Al wrote:*Mod Hat On*

John - - - - -

P A N T Y H O S E is an under-garment worn by women.
This name, P. H., is synonymous with women.

I'm sorry that you feel upset, but since you've 'broken' the house rules
with your continued use of gender specific nomenclature I can only say

Too Bad, So Sad :!: You have been asked not to use such wording
in your posts on numerous occasions. I've bitten my tongue many times
after reading some of your posts and have not responded to them.

Yes, I'm saying this - to you - in public. I'm not going to send you a PM
as too many have already been sent :!:

Please abide by the house rules.

If necessary we will have Big George, the Cafe' Bouncer,
escort you from the premises.

*Mod Hat Off*


Uncle Al
:mrgreen: :ugeek: :mrgreen:

(I hope the situation does not warrant us doing that as Big George
is on vacation and doesn't want to come home early.)
This is the last posting I will make on this forum.
Very sorry to see you go John, if that's your avowed intent, but I hope you will reconsider, especially now that the 'pantyhose rule' has been thrown out. I for one, have enjoyed your posts and have found nothing in them to cause offence.
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Re: Winter is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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To answer the question: what are Yak-traks and what are crampons: they are accessories used by folks to keep from slipping on snow and ice. They fit over the show. The Yak-Trakers have coild wire on th ebottom to help get a better grip on packed snow. Crampons actually have spikes that will grip onto more hazardous surfaces.

SInce I an the Queen for Falling Down, I need accessories like this, or else. As noted in a previous post, I can fall off very modest heels. Some times I cna even fall of my shoes when they don't have heels. If falling down was a varsity sport I would have been Team Leader.

SO I'm moving slowly and when/if I want to dress with a flourish, I can. I even wore another set of heels that went divinely with the suit i had on.

AN interesting observation is that having a broken bone, no matter how small the break and no matter how small th ebone, drains a lot surprising amount of energy.
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First, thank you for answering my question Sapphire. I thought they might be something like that. What surprises me is I don't remember having heard of them because I am something of a bookworm. Maybe I did read about them and didn't look it up in the dictionary and then forgot about them, knowing me that is quite likely.
I am sorry for the broken bone, may it heal quickly, I'll be praying for you. I have a similar problem, not so much with falling down (although I have done that about 5 times since my accident, 3 times at work and twice at home) but with just general clumsiness. If it can be knocked over, it seems I will knock it over, eventually. It really infuriates me sometimes too.
I just felt like buying something today so I bought a skirt set at a thrift shop, it cost me a whopping $5.28. It's like a dark blue velvet or false suede type material, a short waist-length jacket with long sleeves and no pockets :( and an almost-ankle-length straight skirt, or almost straight. Since the weather is getting colder I thought it would make a nice night garment and lots cheaper than buying a night shirt or even a pair of pajamas new (I'm wearing it now, it seems pretty warm). I guess the only downside, if I'm ever invited or spend the night somewhere as a guest, I don't own a pair of trousered PJ's, so it will have to be a nightshirt or a t-shirt and skirt or *censored*.
P.S.: Hope I'm not violating house rules by talking about night garments and PJ's...I don't think I am but sorry if I am.
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Re: Winter is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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sapphire wrote:To answer the question: what are Yak-traks and what are crampons: they are accessories used by folks to keep from slipping on snow and ice. They fit over the show. The Yak-Trakers have coild wire on the bottom to help get a better grip on packed snow. Crampons actually have spikes that will grip onto more hazardous surfaces.
Thanks for this explanation Sapphire! On your recommendation I have ordered some Yak-traks. Should arrive any day now. I will let you know how I get on with them. :)
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People can wear what they like. Not me tho...I tried once and had a very painful experience. I NEED a fly, one that can't fly by itself or is not used to catch Trout or Flounders. :faint:
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