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It is good to see the younger folks are now exploring skirts. I have been wearing skirts now for almost two years straight. Just got back from Denver and never wore anything but skirts for the entire trip through airports and city streets. So enjoy your skirts.
"The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle."
"It is better to be hated for what you are than be loved for what you are not" Andre Gide: 1869 - 1951
Many of us, like you, started out with years of interest and curiosity before actual taking the big step of buying and wearing a skirt. And those of us who are married face real or imagined conflict with our wives, just as you may with your parents.
Along the lines of, "Don't ask a question if you might not like the answer," I generally recommend against asking for permission to wear a skirt. Instead, present it as a done deal, as in, "I want to know what it's like to wear a skirt." Them, if they give you restrictions rather than an outright ban, you're home free. Live within those restrictions for a while and then gently push the envelope. Teenagers are usually quite good at that.
For your first skirt (or first few) it's usually good to visit thrift shops (i.e. Goodwill), where the typical cost of a skirt is about $5. Your size is probably your pants waist size divided by two, and then subtract two. I, for example, wear size 36 pants and my skirt size is (36 / 2) - 2 = 16. Try that as a starting point and then go up or down a size if necessary.
Another approach is to bring a tape measure with you and measure some skirts across the inside of the waist. If you wear size 36 pants, try skirts than measure 18 inches between the insides.
Have some styles, or at least a length, in mind. Denim knee-length skirts are generally the least noticible because they look so much like denim shirts.
I hate to suggest sneaking around your parents but if you want to test the while idea before speaking with them, buy a thrift-store skirt or two and try it on sometime when they're not at home. Just don't let that continue for a long time.
Only you know how receptive your parents might be. But if they're fairly liberal, generally open-minded, and have let you be yourself in the past, I'd say your chances are pretty good.
So again, welcome, and good luck with your new wardrobe!
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As best as I can tell, we're all glad to have you and are glad that you're taking the step we all wish we had at your age.
To help your parents wrap their minds around this whole idea of you going out and about in a skirt, you might point out that kilts on young men are accepted and a kilt really isn't anything except a skirt for men. You might also print off some of the pictures of Jaden Smith and the interviews he's given. I think the ads he's done for Louis Vuitton (?) ... one of the big designers.
When shopping for skirts, I'd suggest going with the tape measure technique Caultron suggested. Because of vanity sizing the listed size on women's skirts don't necessarily mean much. Even after checking the size with your pocket tape measure (Don't have one? Look in the sewing section of your grocery store or other superstore such as Fred Meyers or Walmart.), TRY THE SKIRT ON. See what you looks like with it on. There are lots of great dresses I've tried on at Ross's that fit me fine, that I handed back to the fitting room attendant (I only go into the Women's Fitting Rooms by invitation.) because even though they were great looking dresses they just didn't look like anything on me.
If you want new and something in your age bracket that won't break the bank, try Forever 21 and the Juniors' section of places like Fred Meyers (they almost always have an apparel sale going on).
If they're concerned about how the rest of SF will treat you, you can tell them I feel more accepted than I would have 5 years ago and I lie in Portland, OR.
Finally, as you'll see in posting after posting on this forum, it's all in how you carry yourself. Be confident and comfortable with yourself and you simply won't have any problem. If you carry yourself like an arrogant a**hole or a victim, you won't have anything but trouble.
Good luck with your parents and have fun with this.
Social norms aren't changed by Congress or Parliament; they're changed by a sufficient number of people ignoring the existing ones and publicly practicing new ones.
Now, I'm not sure what the perspective of that club was, and the "queer" reference does put me off. But if your school has any sort of club along those lines, it might be worth investigating. Like, find somebody who's already in the club and just ask them about it.
LGBT acceptance does apparently spill over to simple skirt-wearing as well.
I agree with all the thrift store suggestions. Out of the Closet has several stores in SF and I've had good luck at the Haight goodwill. Quick and dirty trick for approximate waist size is to take a buttoned waist and wrap it around your neck. It should be the same size to fit you.