EWN: CT men urged to join Walk in Heels event and take a stand against GBV

[Coder]

https://ewn.co.za/0001/01/01/ct-men-urg ... gainst-gbv

Normally I don't post these sorts of stories as I don't think these kind of events do much, but this was tangential to another thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23832

Here's a report after the fact:

https://www.news24.com/news24/community ... e-20220314

(the latter news organization has proper date code for their URLs, but I digress...)

Does anything think these events really do anything? Either for raising awareness of gender-based violence or MIS? They may raise money, and perhaps the individual male who wears the heels/dress might reflect on clothes, it feels like a gimmick.

[ScotL]

I think it’s a worthwhile event but doesn’t help MIS. The raising awareness idea is to do something “crazy” so people take notice. Once their attention is taken, they learn why the “craziness” was performed.

Us wearing skirts isn’t supposed to be “crazy.”

[Coder]

I think it’s a worthwhile event but doesn’t help MIS. The raising awareness idea is to do something “crazy” so people take notice. Once their attention is taken, they learn why the “craziness” was performed.

Us wearing skirts isn’t supposed to be “crazy.”

Yeah - and often with these kinds of events you see outlandish displays, not carefully thought through outfits.

[moonshadow]

Does anything think these events really do anything?

Probably not. In fact, it could have the opposite effect, reserving skirts for women, and men who are promoting a cause only... not for casual men's wear.

These kind of events really only underscore the notion that a skirt is exclusively a "women's garment" only.

[Stu]

Anyone tempted to support the feminist movement against domestic violence ought to read and hear about the experiences of one of the founders of Women's Aid, Erin Pizzey (a former feminist). It REALLY (!) opens your eyes as to the reality rather than mindlessly believing the narrative the man-hating feminist brigade try to project (i.e. that violence is predominantly committed by men against women - statistics show otherwise). She asserts strongly that, in her experience, domestic violence is non-gendered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqVavFQlPvw

There is now an organisation that recognises that and campaigns against ALL forms of violence:

https://honest-ribbon.org

Professor Christina Hoff Sommers also debunks the "rape culture" myth - again with studies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZrzCAuiw7w

[rode_kater]

There is now an organisation that recognises that and campaigns against ALL forms of violence:

https://honest-ribbon.org

Wow, I'm impressed this actually exists. Useful next time the topic comes up (which is unlikely, but who knows).

[Coder]

Anyone tempted to support the feminist movement against domestic violence ought to read and hear about the experiences of one of the founders of Women's Aid, Erin Pizzey (a former feminist). It REALLY (!) opens your eyes as to the reality rather than mindlessly believing the narrative the man-hating feminist brigade try to project (i.e. that violence is predominantly committed by men against women - statistics show otherwise). She asserts strongly that, in her experience, domestic violence is non-gendered.

While the walk was men dressing up in heels - the event was against "gender based violence" which I take to mean people being targeted because of their gender - whether a man or a woman (though obviously the only intent was violence against women by men -> the close ties to IWD and the fact that men were dressing like women and women not dressing like men (if that even has meaning nowadays)). I'm also disinclined to debate this whole mess as it tends to get people irate on both sides (ironically, usually along gendered lines, but mostly political). My simple take on it is this:

• we shouldn't accept any violence from anyone

• women nor men have it "worse" - and there should be a zero-tolerance policy for bad behavior (serious offenses)

• forget past inequities and forge a new path, discard victimhood

Unfortunately, the latter point requires forgiveness (which society solely lacks), willingness to see fault where it might implicate us, and acceptance that things might not be perfect today, but they can get better if we treat each other with respect.

[Barleymower]

https://ewn.co.za/0001/01/01/ct-men-urg ... gainst-gbv

Normally I don't post these sorts of stories as I don't think these kind of events do much, but this was tangential to another thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23832

Here's a report after the fact:

https://www.news24.com/news24/community ... e-20220314

(the latter news organization has proper date code for their URLs, but I digress...)

Does anything think these events really do anything? Either for raising awareness of gender-based violence or MIS? They may raise money, and perhaps the individual male who wears the heels/dress might reflect on clothes, it feels like a gimmick.

I do think it has an effect. In the second article there is a man sat on the left in dress. It suits him. The guys to his left look like they could happily wear skirts everyday. I hope they will and not forget what they did.

Will their actions be refelected in wider society? No they won't, but the seeds are there. The photos show that this is not a LGBT thing (even if there are LGBT folk in there). This is people being people, comfortable with who they are.

[Barleymower]

Anyone tempted to support the feminist movement against domestic violence ought to read and hear about the experiences of one of the founders of Women's Aid, Erin Pizzey (a former feminist). It REALLY (!) opens your eyes as to the reality rather than mindlessly believing the narrative the man-hating feminist brigade try to project (i.e. that violence is predominantly committed by men against women - statistics show otherwise). She asserts strongly that, in her experience, domestic violence is non-gendered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqVavFQlPvw

There is now an organisation that recognises that and campaigns against ALL forms of violence:

https://honest-ribbon.org

Professor Christina Hoff Sommers also debunks the "rape culture" myth - again with studies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZrzCAuiw7w

I support the feminist movement, I genuine want equality. I realise I have a biased view. My mum was angry, agressive and often violent. My Dad was always very placid. My mum is dead now and he's still very gentle and my kids, his grandchildren, and they love him.
It's hard for some us to see the other side of the coin when female abuse was such a big part of our lives.

[Coder]

Just for the record, this post was not about the feminist movement, but about whether these kinds of events - where guys wear skirts/dresses to support a cause - any cause - will move the needle for MIS. Hope to keep it focused a bit.

[crfriend]

Just for the record, this post was [...], but about whether these kinds of events - where guys wear skirts/dresses to support a cause - any cause - will move the needle for MIS.

If the wearing of skirts/dresses is inextricably linked to "The Cause", then likely the needle will not move an iota. It just needs to be made commonplace -- that way a guy can put on a skirt, a dress, or trousers depending on mood and whim. But that's an ideal world that I am likely to never see.