The Guardian Nigeria: Masculinity And The Skirt Wave

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The Guardian Nigeria: Masculinity And The Skirt Wave

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https://guardian.ng/life/masculinity-an ... kirt-wave/
In the space of gender, sexuality, Identity, and fashion skirts are starting up interesting conversation. Are we ready for men on skirt?
Heck yeah?

Also, mentions Skirt Cafe:
Outside Hollywood, the phenomenon has been gaining traction for years, according to Carl R. Friend, the administrator (and self-described ‘Master Barista’) of The Skirt Café, an online forum dedicated to men’s skirts.
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I always look forward to your post. Thank you for sharing.
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Coder wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:17 pmAlso, mentions Skirt Cafe:
Outside Hollywood, the phenomenon has been gaining traction for years, according to Carl R. Friend, the administrator (and self-described ‘Master Barista’) of The Skirt Café, an online forum dedicated to men’s skirts.
That's a cut/paste or a repost of the CNN piece.
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crfriend wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:37 pm
Coder wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:17 pmAlso, mentions Skirt Cafe:
Outside Hollywood, the phenomenon has been gaining traction for years, according to Carl R. Friend, the administrator (and self-described ‘Master Barista’) of The Skirt Café, an online forum dedicated to men’s skirts.
That's a cut/paste or a repost of the CNN piece.
The whole thing? Or just a portion? I wondered, but figured they were (lazy) and took a potion.
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Coder wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:43 pmThe whole thing? Or just a portion? I wondered, but figured they were (lazy) and took a potion.
I didn't read the whole thing, but I can avow that I've not talked or conversed with anybody in Nigeria on the matter. The quoted verbiage was enough to pluck a few strings, though, hence the conclusion.

Addendum: It's an abridged quote. The real meat of my commentary did not make it into thw Guardian Nigeria article.
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crfriend wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:37 pmThat's a cut/paste or a repost of the CNN piece.
Maybe it is but, it is posted in a different 'paper' and country.
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Uncle Al wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:49 pm
crfriend wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:37 pmThat's a cut/paste or a repost of the CNN piece.
Maybe it is but, it is posted in a different 'paper' and country.
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That’s kind of how I see it - I try not to repost copypasta articles, this seemed different enough and I find the international nature of the article interesting as well.
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Coder wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:17 pm https://guardian.ng/life/masculinity-an ... kirt-wave/
In the space of gender, sexuality, Identity, and fashion skirts are starting up interesting conversation. Are we ready for men on skirt?
Heck yeah?

Also, mentions Skirt Cafe:
Outside Hollywood, the phenomenon has been gaining traction for years, according to Carl R. Friend, the administrator (and self-described ‘Master Barista’) of The Skirt Café, an online forum dedicated to men’s skirts.
Seems to be similar to the CNN story but with enough changes that it’s not outright plagiarism. I guess.

But it’s great to see it still circulating.

And I second the thanks to you for posting these stories.
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Seems the only comment is a store selling rice using the section as a Classified ad :mrgreen:
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It would be more positive news if it was not illegal to "cross-dress" in 12 out of 36 Nigerian states.
Being homosexual can bring the death penalty and gender re-assignment not recognised.
Before anyone says wearing a "manskirt" is not cross-dressing, consider if you would take the risk there!
This is not a liberal country in any sense of the word, the age of consent isn't even equal for "normal" people.
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STEVIE wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:00 pm Before anyone says wearing a "manskirt" is not cross-dressing, consider if you would take the risk there!
+1

There are politicians in certain states here that are trying to pass "morality laws", primarily aimed at drag queens and such, but the wording is so vague they could technically be used to forbid any male from wearing clothes deemed inappropriate for his sex.

Hopefully these fears are exaggerated, but make no mistake, there is a formidable authoritarian presence lurking right around the corner, and I don't know how much longer Lady Liberty can fight the beast off.... she's starting to wear down.
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Unfortunately the ‘land of the free’ is anything but. I am grateful to be English, as the UK, for all its faults, is the freeest nation on the planet and I know I can wear whatever I want without fear of state interference.
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Midas wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:43 pm Unfortunately the ‘land of the free’ is anything but. I am grateful to be English, as the UK, for all its faults, is the freeest nation on the planet and I know I can wear whatever I want without fear of state interference.
Me too Midas, however, the British take it all a bit for granted too.
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Well, I'm hoping that in the society I live in, this is simply a matter of "two steps forward and one step back". This is kind of the way it's been for pretty much all of American history. The U.S. has never been a truly free society, but we do slowly seem to eek, scratch, and claw our way towards a more liberated state overall.

Do I think we're in a "one step back", phase? Yes.

Will it effect males that express themselves in manners that many folks consider feminine? Possibly. But honestly I give it about a 15% probability, and it won't effect every state. Some states will be worse than others. I expect Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia (the ruling that says you can't be fired for wearing a skirt) will likely be overturned. Among other setbacks. Once that is overturned (and it will be), various states will do exactly like they did with the overturned of Roe-v-Wade and begin to pass various laws almost commanding the discrimination of LGBTQ people, and unfortunately this will include cis-gendered skirt wearing men.

The good news is that there are still a good many employers, landlords, and such that don't get hung up over these things. Recall pretty much every person here has been wearing skirts prior to the ruling, and speaking for myself, despite my occasional brushes with bigots trying to get me fired and evicted, I have always managed to keep a roof over my head and food on the table.

In this manner, ironically, "capitalism" is on our side. Capitalism is true democracy. You vote with your wallet, and I kinda sorta believe that's the one that counts the most. We progress, and we have the right to be our authentic selves because frankly it makes good business sense. I wasn't fired because I brought value to the company I worked for, and they determined that it was worth keeping me around despite my off clock weirdness. I wasn't evicted because I pay my rent on time and was generally a model tenant. If a state government pushes the boundary too far into authoritarianism (I'm looking at you, Tennessee), they run the risk of losing out on business prospects for the given state as most major employers don't want to set up shop in areas that are too restrictive on social matters, as the consensus view is it's "bad for business" in general. States like Tennessee get somewhat of a pass because of tourism, the country music scene, etc. But they'd better be careful. I've talked to several people that won't step foot in the state because their government is acting like an asshole at the moment. That cost the Tennessee economy money. Businesses know that too.

This is one of the reasons I generally support a "base capitalist" economy and generally shy away from the idea of pure [U.S.S.R] style socialism that many millennials and gen z'ers support. Do I support universal healthcare? Yes, but I don't think the whole damned economy should be under public ownership. Mainly for the very reason I mentioned above. If the entire U.S. means of production was publicly owned, then all I would take is an authoritarian regime to rise to the top, ban anything they deem as "inappropriate" and BAM, men in skirts is illegal across the land, and there isn't a thing the business community can do about it because there is no "business community" anymore... it's all under government control... and government has a way of sucking BAD. I've debated this matter with my share of self professed LGBTQ communist, who are quick to remind me that under communism, LBGTQ people were protected, my response was "yeah, until Stalin entered the chat". Anyway... I digress.

Don't get me wrong, it [capitalism] can be a double edged sword. The moment overall public opinion sways against eccentrics such as us, then the tide can turn and political minorities can find themselves being discriminated against all over again. We're seeing small bits of this already with the "get woke, go broke" movement, when a company takes a stand for whatever social issue they are supporting, and they get blow-back from groups that oppose the issue.

Society is complicated, and it seems to take all kinds, people like us and bigots alike. It sure keeps things interesting. But regardless, all we can do is just keep on keeping on, try to survive the best we can, and continue to play the game. There will be struggles and setbacks sure, but nobody ever said freedom is free. It ALWAYS cost blood, usually a lot of it.
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moonshadow wrote: Thu Nov 24, 2022 2:53 pm Will it effect males that express themselves in manners that many folks consider feminine? Possibly. But honestly I give it about a 15% probability, and it won't effect every state. Some states will be worse than others. I expect Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia (the ruling that says you can't be fired for wearing a skirt) will likely be overturned. Among other setbacks. Once that is overturned (and it will be), various states will do exactly like they did with the overturned of Roe-v-Wade and begin to pass various laws almost commanding the discrimination of LGBTQ people, and unfortunately this will include cis-gendered skirt wearing men.
Is there legislation out there right now? I guess there would be pushback if it was exceptionally broad - if I had any say I'd sneak in a provision prohibiting women from wearing pants. I know - "but coder, pants are designed and sold for women". Fine - maybe that would be the time to break out a line of feminine men's clothing, and market it heavily to that or those states. Run hilariously corny commercials on YouTube (see True Classic, squatty potty, poopurri commercials) in those states. I dunno. I'm not quite as pessimistic as you, possibly because I'm in a blue state/area, possibly because I understand concerns over drag although I don't see why it would have to be legislated away. There are already laws on the books that protect kids, parents can vote out school board members if they make choices they are unhappy with, and if there's an event at a public library - shocker - don't attend or let your kids attend.
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