The Michigan Daily: A Bad Bunny masterclass: adding “sazón” to male style

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Re: The Michigan Daily: A Bad Bunny masterclass: adding “sazón” to male style

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john62 wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:11 pm
The English word ship or boat comes from the Latin, navis, which in Latin is feminine, thus all boats are "she". likewise dog in Latin is canis, and is masculine, therefore we tend to call dogs he and of coarse all cats she. Blame the Romans for this mess we call English.

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Thanks! That makes a lot more sense. So is the Latin word for cat feminine then? Romans didn’t have cars and airplanes but I imagine the “she” was just extrapolated
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The word for cat in Latin is catus, -i, which is a second declension masculine.

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I was not attempting to claim that all speakers of English as a second language had superior grammar skills to natives. That would be ridiculous.

The Latin for cat has options. Any cat is Felis, and a domestic cat (and only the domestic cat) is catus or cattus. The scientific name for a domestic cat is Felis catus. The cat family, which includes the big ones like lions and tigers, is the Felidae. There are six species of the Felidae of the genus Felis - the other five are wild.
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Coder wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:20 pm
https://www.michigandaily.com/arts/b-si ... ale-style/
If anyone still thinks it’s weird for men to dress in skirts and dresses, wear makeup, paint their nails or engage in other fashion activities seemingly “reserved” for women, it’s time to realize they’re wrong. Clothes aren’t gendered and, thanks to efforts by artists like Bad Bunny, that patriarchal idea is beginning to crack for men. So, men, this is a call to add a bit of “sazón,” to your style as Bad Bunny would say in his song “El Apagón.” Dressing outside masculine norms isn’t a challenge toward masculinity; rather, it’s an embrace of self-expression.
On this occasion, I will say nothing about the "drift" in the conversation because I do find it very interesting, really!
My personal takeaway from the "discussion" here is very very basic and not profound at all.
"Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"!
If that were true, would the thought of being labelled "different" in any form paralyse our actions to such an extent.
More so, men account for about 75% of all suicides and I wonder just how many of these are just down to the dread that the wrong words inspire in us.
If we could make that saying nearer to factually true, maybe MIS may just come of age.
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john62 wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:02 am
The word for cat in Latin is catus, -i, which is a second declension masculine.

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Crap, well there goes that. Although do we always call cats “she”? Or is it just the association with the “crazy cat ladies” that provides the feminine construct. Cat is feminine wird in German.

In the end, there will be linguists who can best debate this and come with conclusions right as the language will change again. Thats the beautiful thing about language. It’s alive and ever evolving. One could state a dictionary is “out of date” the moment it’s published.
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Old English scip (ship) is neuter in gender.
Old English bat (boat) is masculine in gender.
Old English docga (dog) is masculine in gender.
Old English had two forms, cat (masculine) and catte (feminine), and the gender of the corresponding word in other European languages is highly variable.
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ScotL wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:16 pm
Crap, well there goes that. Although do we always call cats “she”? Or is it just the association with the “crazy cat ladies” that provides the feminine construct. Cat is feminine wird in German.

In the end, there will be linguists who can best debate this and come with conclusions right as the language will change again. Thats the beautiful thing about language. It’s alive and ever evolving. One could state a dictionary is “out of date” the moment it’s published.
The problem is you're trying to involve logic in the situation. Nothing about language is driven by logic. It's what is easier to remember/pronounce and influences from other languages and what other people around you do.

The wikipedia article on Grammatical Gender is fascinating and includes a reference to a study done seeing what happens when words are imported into a gendered language. The results were basically: it's a crap shoot. It can follow similar sounding words or similar meaning words or something else. It's basically wait and see which gender sticks (if any). Occasionally some authority tries to make a decision but nobody listens them anyway.

Apparently using "she" for boats is discouraged in English journalistic style guides.
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Yeah, applying rational thought to an irrational world.
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rode_kater wrote:
Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:49 am
Apparently using "she" for boats is discouraged in English journalistic style guides.
That's unsurprising, as I suspect the term is considered "sexist" in a matriarchal world. It's also unlikely to curb centuries of habit and tradition. One more intrusion of PC into daily life that's (a) unwanted and (b) unneeded.
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To my knowledge, having picked up a lot of colloquial German in middle age, but never studied it academically, two words spring to mind....'Katze' for a female cat and 'Kater' for a male or tomcat.

We have three of uncertain gender and I address the am all as 'Puss-puss' usually when I'm about to feed them.

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john62 wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:11 pm
The English word ship or boat comes from the Latin, navis, which in Latin is feminine, thus all boats are "she".
That looks like a conspicuously false etymology. While navy and navigate are from Latin, ship and boat have reached us by a different route -- from Germanic origins. Das Schiff and (famously) das Boot: both are neuter.
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Just learned that the Scottish Maritime Museum is going to go gender neutral and stop referring to vessels as 'she'.
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