by moonshadow » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:42 am
That wasn't nice faldaguy.
You took what I said the wrong way, proceeded to basically call me out for being some kind of trans imposter, that I can't possibly understand what it's like to have the mind of a trans-person. You seem to know what rolls around in my own head better than I do...
I defy you to spend time in a clinic for Facial feminization surgery (FFS) and the tell me there is no measurable differences after you've seen a face pulled back, a forehead separated, pulled loose, reshaped and put back. To undergo sex reassignment surgery by having your genitals removed; and following a vaginoplasty, having to spend 20-30 minutes three times a day using a vaginal dilator. Many undergo far more -- ribs removed; hips padded, vocal cords tightened, Adams apple shaved, & of course breast implants -- though many do none of these things but do enter a lifetime of hormone replacement therapy (HRT). And that changes you too.
Oh I see, so to qualify for transness, one would have to have a stable income, a proper, progressive insurance policy that would pay for all these changes, have to have the blessing of several medical and psychological practitioners, plenty of money, a very determined mindset, thousands and thousands of dollars worth of unpleasant medical procedures... gotcha.
A trans-woman who doesn't want to deal with any of that, or simply doesn't have the means to pay for it all can't possibly be a real trans-woman, I see.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Think I'm going to take a little break for a while. I've got enough going on right now, I don't need strangers online telling me the contents of my soul.
Good day gentleman.
Moon, I'm sorry I've upset you, but I think it is you who has taken what I said the wrong way. I have made no pretension about knowing what goes on in your head and virtually nothing about a "trans imposter" (whatever that may be).
Nor do I understand the leap from my expressing concern, amazement and admiration for the courage many trans people endure in psychological and surgical procedures to a rant about the cost thereof which has no bearing at all upon being trans -- which has been pointed out many times in this forum as most likely the result of brain development in utero.
What I did say (and I concede an all-inclusive error here) was: "calling a transwoman a 'feminine
MALE' or a transman a 'masculine
FEMALE' is insensitive because many (not ALL --my error) do not feel they are MALE or FEMALE any longer -- if they ever did. As you have pointed out many times here, you are what you are and you do not care about what you are labeled -- and you have acknowledged you are a male that feels feminine --, thus for you your definition of being a 'gender feminine male' apparently fits your feelings and definition of being trans -- fine; BUT my (admittedly limited*) experience in and amongst people who acknowledge being trans is that they do not wish to be called male or female based on the genitalia they were born with--they truly feel, & identify as the gender they have 'become' be it by declaration, surgery, or any of a multitude of factors.
I'm sorry my implied absolute did not make the distinction I've attempted to clarify above, and thus I may have stepped on some toes. I still stand by the caution that we cannot and should not declare all transpersons simply "gender feminine males", or "gender masculine females". as it seemed you proclaimed by saying a
gender feminine male was actually a "bullet [bigot] proof definition of
any transgender woman".
* as to my limited experience noted above: I have spent two one month long sojourns at two clinics; one for FFS [Argentina] and the other for SRS [Thailand]-- living amongst people using those services, getting to know some of them quite well. Otherwise my experience is probably about the same as most people 'on the street'; though my participation in an spiritual group that is "inclusive" at local, national and international levels has probably given me more opportunities to mingle with the gamut of the GLBTQ community, than one typically meets on the street.