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Fashion podcast from the Torygraph. The bit of interest to us all here starts at about 15:25. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CgGhv4FZGE0

It probably tells you nothing new, but it's good that the idea of men in skirts is out there among the commuters from the stockbroker belt and the retired of Reigate.
Keep on skirting,

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Nice! I liked the quip of "'The Kilt' as a 'gateway skirt'", but that's merely the contrarian in me. So, it's encouraging to note that there is some recognition out there -- and some practical advice as well, which can be embraced or ignored at one's whim.

Thanks for the podcast link, SS, and thanks especially for the call-out on timing!
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The elephant in the room with this is that you can't just go and buy a man's skirt at normal clothing outlets. That means, unless you can find a specialist retailer, who is probably going to be high fashion, ultra expensive and with very limited choice, you are having to rely upon garments made for women. So you are quite literally crossdressing.

Someone mentioned Xander Zhou a while back and his Spring/Summer 2020 collection, which does include a nice range of perfectly ordinary skirts worn by masculine male models in various styles - A-line, pencil etc.

https://www.malefashiontrends.com/2019/ ... ondon.html

These would be ideal - but will they actually be available in the shops? I doubt it. :|
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Stu wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:46 pm
That means, unless you can find a specialist retailer, who is probably going to be high fashion, ultra expensive and with very limited choice, you are having to rely upon garments made for women. So you are quite literally crossdressing.
So hold the skirt upside down, the "W" is now an "M".

Problem solved.
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You know what the *real* difference between a man gendered skirt vs a woman gendered skirt is?

About $250.

I guess if a man needs to pay that premium to prove he's a man... whatever floats his boat I guess... *shurgs*

You'll still be subject to the same "haters" that the rest of us "crossdressers" deal with.
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moonshadow wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:26 pm
You know what the *real* difference between a man gendered skirt vs a woman gendered skirt is?
About $250.
Indeed. My point is that we need manufacturers and retailers onboard - in an ideal world.

I don't think those who are crossdressers should be subject to hate, obviously. How does dressing as the opposite sex hurt anyone else? Live and let live.

HOWEVER

I would rather buy my clothes from a supplier who had me, or people like me, in mind when designing the garment. Again - in an ideal world.
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Stu wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:02 pm
I would rather buy my clothes from a supplier who had me, or people like me, in mind when designing the garment. Again - in an ideal world.
I can understand that. But unfortunately, there just doesn't seem to be a big enough market for it. So, in the mean time, guys will just have to choose "masculine" women's skirts as they desire, and maybe eventually it will catch on to the point of mass production.
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I don't understand the need for masculine skirts and dresses. Statistically there is a difference between the shapes of male and female bodies. I can accept that. But there are many different forms of the male and female body that are just a little or a lot away from those statistics. There is also the fact that clothes are made more or less to a statical model of the male or female body. And still people that are outside those statistical models can find clothes that fit reasonably.

I think it is safe to assume that there are female bodies that are closer to the statistically male form and vice versa. I don't see those people go naked so they must have found reasonable filling clothes. And those are still clothes found at retailers, not one-offs from a seamstress or taylor.

Therefore I believe the way to go is just buying skirts and dresses where you find them and have a reasonable fit. Not all female clothing will fit the male body but not all female clothing will fit all females. What is perfect for Dolly Parton might not be fitting for most women let alone men. Depending on the sort of fabric and the cut of the clothes, there will be something out there for male bodies without the need for special masculine clothes.

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beachlion wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:07 pm
What is perfect for Dolly Parton might not be fitting for most women let alone men.
Yeah... I'd say she doesn't have any trouble filling out a blouse! :lol:

Thank goodness for the Ally McBeals of the world!
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moonshadow wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:47 pm
beachlion wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:07 pm
What is perfect for Dolly Parton might not be fitting for most women let alone men.
Yeah... I'd say she doesn't have any trouble filling out a blouse! :lol:
Rather, I suspect she has to get custom jobs done to accommodate her "assets". Very few women are shaped that way nowadays.
Thank goodness for the Ally McBeals of the world!
Given that that seems to be the new "ideal form" for women [0], it should open up the floodgates for guys because now -- aside from height -- there's little difference between the teenage male body-type and the "new" woman's body-type.

I can be an opportunist; I look at this as an advantage when shopping for skirts!


[0] One of the big reasons I'm still single is that I am insufficiently homosexual to find the new "ideal" shape for women even remotely attractive. Face it, I like gals with curves.
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skirtyscot wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:50 pm
...it's good that the idea of men in skirts is out there among the commuters from the stockbroker belt and the retired of Reigate.
Please be kind enough not to mock us ;-)
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Stu wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:46 pm
The elephant in the room with this is that you can't just go and buy a man's skirt at normal clothing outlets. That means, unless you can find a specialist retailer, who is probably going to be high fashion, ultra expensive and with very limited choice, you are having to rely upon garments made for women. So you are quite literally crossdressing.

Someone mentioned Xander Zhou a while back and his Spring/Summer 2020 collection, which does include a nice range of perfectly ordinary skirts worn by masculine male models in various styles - A-line, pencil etc.

https://www.malefashiontrends.com/2019/ ... ondon.html

These would be ideal - but will they actually be available in the shops? I doubt it. :|
For once, they look decent, longer length for winter or just feel like wearing an ankle length skirt, decent pencil skirts and the models
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for once don't look ashamed to be rocking a skirt, and it's not teamed with ridiculous masks, makeup or anything else to make skirts seem like a silly concept. For once, looks very wearable. The designer's certainly made a lot of them for it to be a gimmick, so perhaps it may make the shops.

The blogger who used to post here now and then ( www.joeypress.wordpress.com ) says when he's visited shops whilst skirted and spoken to sales staff,
there's quite a few men who come in to buy skirts, so they've gotta be out there somewhere!

Though you don't need designer prices for a decent skirt. Women's pencil skirts are a fraction of the price of these designer "men's" ones :) You just need the confidence to rock it 8)
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