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Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby Jim » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:58 pm

This might be a story of interest here:
Texas superintendent allegedly tells grandma
to cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

An East Texas school district is facing harsh criticism of its draconian rules for African-American boys’ hair—and its response to families who challenge it.

Four-year-old Michael Trimble, called “Tink” by his friends and family, was reportedly excited for his very first day of “big kids” school a couple of weeks ago. Unfortunately, Tink’s grandmother, Randi Woodley, was soon called in to speak with the principal … about Tink’s hair, which is long.

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Woodley told CBS Austin that she was floored by the response: “The superintendent then gave me three options, he told me that I could either cut it, braid it and pin it up … or put my grandson in a dress and send him to school; and when prompted, my grandson must say he's a girl."

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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/17/1886069/-Texas-superintendent-allegedly-tells-grandma-to-cut-grandson-s-hair-or-put-him-in-a-dress?detail=emaildkre
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby crfriend » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:10 pm

"Texas". One need say no more.
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby Fred in Skirts » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:13 pm

This happens in a lot more places than Texas. We just don't hear about it.

I would set the lawyers on him like a pack of dogs. I would force the school board to FIRE him with a very public scene. I would try to see to it that he was never allowed in a school again.

This kind of behavior is just not to be tolerated from any official in a school. If this were my child he would attend with what ever he wanted his hair the look like as long as it was clean.

This is pure bigotry on the principles part. :x :x
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby Grok » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:32 pm

I thought the thing about long hair on males was settled back in the '60s.
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby crfriend » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:02 pm

Grok wrote:I thought the thing about long hair on males was settled back in the '60s.

In the developed parts of the world, it was settled in the 1960s.
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby JohnH » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:05 pm

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Grok wrote:I thought the thing about long hair on males was settled back in the '60s.

In the developed parts of the world, it was settled in the 1960s.

And the United States looks more and more like an underdeveloped "third world" nation. Here are a few signs:
1. What is going on in the House of Representatives is fitting for a banana republic.
2. We have cities with blocks of tents, and feces and needles on sidewalks. Typhus has surfaced, and there is the possibility of Black Plague and of all things, leprosy.
3. Failure to adopt metric units for daily business.
4. Decaying infrastructure and barely any signs of meaningful improvements.

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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby JohnH » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:15 pm

crfriend wrote:"Texas". One need say no more.

In my opinion Al Green and Beto ("Beet Oh") O'Rourke are blights upon Texas.
And tin gods (school administrators) would forbid facial hair on teenage male students.

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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby moonshadow » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:41 am

The Tatum Independent School System is a Public School system (not private), thus is subject to the full weight of the U.S. Constitution with regards to individual citizens rights. As such, the wording of the dress code is in clear violation of the 14th amendment with guarantees equal protection of the laws and due process.

It is understood that the 14th does not apply to sex.

This is bull sh!t.

It does.

Granted, traditional minded courts, and likely the Texas Supreme court and U.S. Supreme court will indeed rule that the 14th does NOT apply to sex.

They're wrong, and their rulings are politically and/or religiously[0] biased. Justice shall not be served.

I'm not sure if it would do any good to lawyer up, or just f--- em and just show up for school with long hair and to hell with what the man says. No child left behind, and this is hardly an offense worthy of expulsion.

Oh would I love to take on a bigoted school system like this... almost makes me wish I had a young feminine minded boy starting school....

[0] Which is also a violation of the 1st and 14th, but I digress.
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby Freedomforall » Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:47 am

JohnH wrote:
crfriend wrote:
Grok wrote:I thought the thing about long hair on males was settled back in the '60s.

In the developed parts of the world, it was settled in the 1960s.

And the United States looks more and more like an underdeveloped "third world" nation. Here are a few signs:
1. What is going on in the House of Representatives is fitting for a banana republic.
2. We have cities with blocks of tents, and feces and needles on sidewalks. Typhus has surfaced, and there is the possibility of Black Plague and of all things, leprosy.
3. Failure to adopt metric units for daily business.
4. Decaying infrastructure and barely any signs of meaningful improvements.

John

I have been thinking the exact thoughts for years now. You did not mention our health care system . We are told it is the best in the world. Yet many friends of ours who have migrated to other countries including Mexico have informed us this is not true.
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby Jim » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:10 am

Another sad aspect I noticed that the boy could have long hair if he wore a dress and called himself a girl. This again is saying a real male wouldn't wear a dress.
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby john62 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:43 am

Looking from Australia the US of A disease care system is only for the wealthy, not the average person. Here in Australia we have Medicare, it works but you may have to wait some months for a Specialist or surgery, if it is urgent the public person can get in fast, and there are few charges under Medicare.

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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby JohnH » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:45 am

Freedomforall wrote:
JohnH wrote:
crfriend wrote:In the developed parts of the world, it was settled in the 1960s.

And the United States looks more and more like an underdeveloped "third world" nation. Here are a few signs:
1. What is going on in the House of Representatives is fitting for a banana republic.
2. We have cities with blocks of tents, and feces and needles on sidewalks. Typhus has surfaced, and there is the possibility of Black Plague and of all things, leprosy.
3. Failure to adopt metric units for daily business.
4. Decaying infrastructure and barely any signs of meaningful improvements.

John

I have been thinking the exact thoughts for years now. You did not mention our health care system . We are told it is the best in the world. Yet many friends of ours who have migrated to other countries including Mexico have informed us this is not true.

We call the United States a free country. Yet:
1. The United States has 5 percent of the world's population, yet has 22 percent of prisoners in the world.
2. Police practice civil forfeiture when it APPEARS a crime might be comitted, and it is next to impossible to retrieve the siezed assets.
3. US citizens if the live outside the US and earn their money abroad must still report income to the IRS. The only other country requiring the same is Eritrea.
And yes, the money gouging of the healthcare system is monstrous. People have to ration Healthcare so the life expectancy in the US is less than any "other" developed country.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty". Our politicians and voters have certainly not been vigilant.
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby STEVIE » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:53 am

moonshadow wrote:Oh would I love to take on a bigoted school system like this... almost makes me wish I had a young feminine minded boy starting school....


Hi Moon,
Sure it is bigoted but it has nothing to do with gender expression or even clothing preferences.
Since Hector was a pup it has been generally accepted that hairlines will rise and fall at whim for anyone who has the good fortune to allow it.
It's just fashion but it doesn't seem to have reached some isolated parts yet.
This is bad but the rest of the thread is just depressing and as a Brit I don't feel that I should comment further.
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby crfriend » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:29 am

moonshadow wrote:The Tatum Independent School System is a Public School system (not private), thus is subject to the full weight of the U.S. Constitution with regards to individual citizens rights. As such, the wording of the dress code is in clear violation of the 14th amendment with guarantees equal protection of the laws and due process.

It is understood that the 14th does not apply to sex.

The magic here is it's all in how the law is interpreted. When bigots interpret the law the law becomes bigoted. Take a look at the court system as it stands today and tell me about what the law is at the moment.

You also seem to be making the mistaken assumption that the US Constitution is still in force and active. Almost 40 years of neo-con judges ideologues on the Supreme Court bench have completely interpreted it away to meaninglessness.

As a side note, the buzz-cut that's popular today is largely a US invention of the early 20th Century -- specifically the first World War when conscript soldiers were sent abroad in vast numbers. At the time, hair-lengths on European guys tended to be almost shoulder-length, so buzz-cutting the conscripts' hair made them easy to spot in a crowd (important when there are defectors in the mix or those who didn't regard the fight as any of their business). Take a look at historical photos from the US in the 19th Century -- many guys had what for today would be considered "long hair". It's newer than you think; it's just that nobody pays attention to history.
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Re: Cut grandson's hair or put him in a dress

Postby moonshadow » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:49 am

As to all of the remarks about the woes of the U.S., I can say this:

We have the government we deserve. There are probably a few thousand individuals in the state and federal legislatures, and there are 320 million of us.

We stand by and watch this happen.

John, you speak the truth, but the average Joe is more concerned about what deity you believe in or what toilet you piss in rather than what the police or the IRS steal from you, or the fact that we have thousands upon thousands of prisoners locked up for nonviolent offenses.

Quite frankly I'm tired of listening to it. We're not a free republic, we a nation of mob rule where elected leaders and our judicial system pander to whatever special interest put them in power, whether it be big money, religious institutions, or perhaps some far left ideology, but for the life of me, I can't think of any wide spread liberal oppression....

But no.. it's not our government's fault, it's ours... WE LET THIS HAPPEN.

crfriend wrote:The magic here is it's all in how the law is interpreted. When bigots interpret the law the law becomes bigoted. Take a look at the court system as it stands today and tell me about what the law is at the moment.

You also seem to be making the mistaken assumption that the US Constitution is still in force and active. Almost 40 years of neo-con judges ideologues on the Supreme Court bench have completely interpreted it away to meaninglessness.


I understand that all to well. Hence my suggestion that the child just do what he wants anyway. I doubt it would do any good to lawyer up since the courts answer to the neo-cons and are not interest in rendering actual justice.

I doubt they will lock him up over it.... though on the other hand... the kid is black... so... I dunno
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