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Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:35 pm
by FranTastic444
pelmut wrote:
FranTastic444 wrote:The Times of London has covered child 'transitioning' in some depth over recent weeks.
The Times has shown a strong anti-transgender agenda in recent years and has published a stream of articles by notorious trans-haters.  This has led to the resignation of one of its journalists.  

Many of these articles have been written by radical feminists or are based on lies spread by them, so I would regard The Times as one of the least trustworthy sources of information about anything to do with transgender people.  The Daily Mail isn't much better.
I had no idea. It is a subject that they do seem to report on with regularity, particularly with regards to the Mermaids charity - in fact they report today on a data breach from the org. What I've just noticed is that some of this reporting is coming from Andrew Gilligan - a name that many Brits may remember from 2003.

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:34 pm
by pelmut
FranTastic444 wrote:...It is a subject that they do seem to report on with regularity, particularly with regards to the Mermaids charity - in fact they report today on a data breach from the org. What I've just noticed is that some of this reporting is coming from Andrew Gilligan - a name that many Brits may remember from 2003.
Since about 2016 The Times and Sunday Times have become strongly transphobic and the number of anti-transgender articles has greatly increased (about 130 negative articles in 2017 according to a witness statement).  They have been hounding Mermaids for some time. and a quick read through the Wikipedia articles on Andrew Gilligan and Rod Liddle, who regularly write transphobic articles, will give you some idea of the sort of people they are.

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:20 pm
by Kilted Musician
BobM wrote:I wear skirts because I want to. No further explanation is necessary or even desirable. Most people deal with it. Some don't. I don't care either way. Why? Because I am a man. No excuses, and no apologies...
My thoughts exactly. I don't try to analyze myself to figure out why I like to wear kilts and skirts. I just do it. Same for my legwear. I'll wear hose or tights with skirts, kilts, shorts, or long pants because I like to.

--Rick

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:03 pm
by pleated
FranTastic444 wrote: I had no idea. It is a subject that they do seem to report on with regularity, particularly with regards to the Mermaids charity - in fact they report today on a data breach from the org. What I've just noticed is that some of this reporting is coming from Andrew Gilligan - a name that many Brits may remember from 2003.
So members can judge for themselves here is a link to the article in the Sunday Times (16th June 2019)-
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pare ... tent=22278

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:10 pm
by FranTastic444
I would imagine that the article is behind a paywall.

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:12 pm
by pleated
FranTastic444 wrote:I would imagine that the article is behind a paywall.
Yes, that is why i have just posted a link with a share token.

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:24 pm
by FranTastic444
pleated wrote:
FranTastic444 wrote:I would imagine that the article is behind a paywall.
Yes, that is why i have just posted a link with a share token.
Ah - didn't realise that you could do that. When I tried sharing a while back you only got a brief summary with the option of subscribing.

Some 'interesting' comments at the bottom of the article that are praising Gilligan for investigative journalism.

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:33 pm
by crfriend
pleated wrote:So members can judge for themselves here is a link to the article in the Sunday Times (16th June 2019)-
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pare ... tent=22278
What was the target audience of the article? Grammar-school level folks?

That read like an editorial piece, not an exercise in journalism. It's certainly not what I'd have expected from The Times that I knew and occasionally had access to in the '60s and '70s. The "article" read more like Fox "News" than a respected journal.

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:49 pm
by FranTastic444
Shoots down my earlier post about the Times being known for impartial and high-quality journalism.

This is investigative journalism rather than straight news reporting, so I guess it is difficult to write a balanced article when a journalist thinks he has exposed a wrong (not that I'm justifying it).

The journo has a 'history' let's say. There is the 2003 incident that I will not take any further here and since then there have been a couple of incidents where 'substantial damages' were paid out as a result of his reporting elsewhere.

The Times made a correction (not an apology) regarding Mermaids back in January (as referenced earlier in this thread I think).

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:22 am
by Gusto10
crfriend wrote:Traditionally, a young boy would have been the ring-bearer, ...
It reminds me of the situation a few year ago. When I remarried, my daughter was there and was the ring bearer. The photo thereof I sent to the child support foundation which tried to cut the contact between my her and me on instigation of my ex. A picture still tells more than a thousands words.

Re: Flower Boy at Wedding

Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:51 am
by crfriend
Gusto10 wrote:[That] reminds me of the situation a few year ago. When I remarried, my daughter was there and was the ring bearer. The photo thereof I sent to the child support foundation which tried to cut the contact between my her and me on instigation of my ex. A picture still tells more than a thousands words.
What was the outcome of that? Did anything good come from it?