Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Clippings from news sources involving fashion freedom and other gender equality issues.
Coder
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 1771
Joined: Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:40 am

Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by Coder »

https://www.icon-icon.com/the-mens-fash ... mmer-2023/
Trends are changing, but the most global trend for 2023 will remain the quest for comfort. Wide cuts and
unexpected use for classic models will be frequent (for example, vests used instead of tops). There will
also be even fewer differences between men’s and women’s clothes as gender-neutral styles pick
up steam. Thus, shorts become shorter, the variety of skirts for men enriches, and accessories
traditionally assumed as womanly appear in men’s disposition.
Well, If they say so :P
STEVIE
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 3414
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:01 pm
Location: North East Scotland.

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by STEVIE »

Coder wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:17 pm
Well, If they say so
"Even a stopped clock is right twice a day"
How often have we heard that "next" year will be the one for Men in Skirts?
I lost count emmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Steve.
ScotL
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 886
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:43 am

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by ScotL »

Coder wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:17 pm
https://www.icon-icon.com/the-mens-fash ... mmer-2023/
Trends are changing, but the most global trend for 2023 will remain the quest for comfort. Wide cuts and
unexpected use for classic models will be frequent (for example, vests used instead of tops). There will
also be even fewer differences between men’s and women’s clothes as gender-neutral styles pick
up steam. Thus, shorts become shorter, the variety of skirts for men enriches, and accessories
traditionally assumed as womanly appear in men’s disposition.
Well, If they say so :P
Excellent find Coder, you have a knack for finding these. Being a computer guy, can you do a search for how many MIS articles there are a month or year? It seems in the last two years there’s been an uptick? I know on social media the number of hashtags for men in skirts has skyrocketed. For whatever that’s worth
Coder
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 1771
Joined: Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:40 am

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by Coder »

ScotL wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:44 pm
Excellent find Coder, you have a knack for finding these. Being a computer guy, can you do a search for how many MIS articles there are a month or year? It seems in the last two years there’s been an uptick? I know on social media the number of hashtags for men in skirts has skyrocketed. For whatever that’s worth
Ugh, I lost my somewhat lengthy response... basically:

1) It's not automate-able because there are so few (quality) articles - plus there would be duplicates due to press releases (ie, Virgin Atlantic). One could automate the collection of articles - but they still need to be manually reviewed.

2) There needs to be some quality control - Icon-Icon almost didn't make the cut only because I'm a bit skeptical it's much of a news agency

3) I don't think a count is going to tell the story of the rise in popularity of MIS. Rather, it's seeing other guys out there in skirts, wearing them ourselves, and retailers adding them as options for men.

I post articles here to gin up discussion. I think there's only so many times we can debate kilt-vs-skirt, legwear, shoes, etc... and it's very hard to escape our own bias and thought processes. Reading - and reacting - to third-party takes on MIS seems beneficial - and it also helps catalog that this isn't as fringe as it feels. There are guys out there wearing skirts, there are retailers selling them - we are not alone... but the guys out there that just wear what they want don't need - for whatever reason - a greater community around MIS. I can tell you, if I wasn't afraid in the past to wear skirts in public, I'd never have bothered with a MIS forum. I still need the community but the crutch is less. Plus the random discussions are interesting, as are the other viewpoints, tips, tricks, and personalities.
ScotL
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 886
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:43 am

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by ScotL »

Coder wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:42 pm
ScotL wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:44 pm
Excellent find Coder, you have a knack for finding these. Being a computer guy, can you do a search for how many MIS articles there are a month or year? It seems in the last two years there’s been an uptick? I know on social media the number of hashtags for men in skirts has skyrocketed. For whatever that’s worth
Ugh, I lost my somewhat lengthy response... basically:

1) It's not automate-able because there are so few (quality) articles - plus there would be duplicates due to press releases (ie, Virgin Atlantic). One could automate the collection of articles - but they still need to be manually reviewed.

2) There needs to be some quality control - Icon-Icon almost didn't make the cut only because I'm a bit skeptical it's much of a news agency

3) I don't think a count is going to tell the story of the rise in popularity of MIS. Rather, it's seeing other guys out there in skirts, wearing them ourselves, and retailers adding them as options for men.

I post articles here to gin up discussion. I think there's only so many times we can debate kilt-vs-skirt, legwear, shoes, etc... and it's very hard to escape our own bias and thought processes. Reading - and reacting - to third-party takes on MIS seems beneficial - and it also helps catalog that this isn't as fringe as it feels. There are guys out there wearing skirts, there are retailers selling them - we are not alone... but the guys out there that just wear what they want don't need - for whatever reason - a greater community around MIS. I can tell you, if I wasn't afraid in the past to wear skirts in public, I'd never have bothered with a MIS forum. I still need the community but the crutch is less. Plus the random discussions are interesting, as are the other viewpoints, tips, tricks, and personalities.
Thanks for the lengthy explanation Coder! I was just curious. Instagram had this thing about the number of tags for menu skirts and other monikers and it was high. In my own world, I go to this website called PubMed where all my geeky science is stored and you can get a listing of the topics published by month/year. Just thought there may be something similar.

I love that you post these articles because you’re right. We aren’t alone. Large corporations like Adidas are selling mens skirts and we all need a little help from a friend from time to time. Even though we know the sky won’t fall if we wear one, it’s just nice to be able to chat about it.

Between you and a few others, I’ve learned a lot about picking tips and shoes for the skirt to “butch it up” so to speak.
Ray
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 1634
Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:03 am
Location: West Midlands, England, UK

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by Ray »

Since I joined this café in 1997, the world for men in skirts has changed a lot. While going from 0.01 to 0.5 is a lot, it’s still peripheral. There have been skirts for men in the past (1999-2001 saw a few wrap skirts) but nothing like now. You have a considerable number of influencers, and the result is - from my experience - a marked change in attitudes. Even in my generation, far more women are accepting of men in skirts, and a wider number of men are no longer rejecting it outright.

There is a long long way to go, and for me, we won’t get there until we either de-gender the garment, or truly view the sexes as equal.

Still, I am encouraged. In 1997 I couldn’t wear skirts at all. Now I can wear them with friends and family, even if my forays out in public are rare. That’s a real change for me, and I think, reflective of wider change.

I still have hope.
User avatar
moonshadow
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 6551
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:58 am
Contact:

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by moonshadow »

Ray wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:16 pm
Still, I am encouraged. In 1997 I couldn’t wear skirts at all. Now I can wear them with friends and family, even if my forays out in public are rare. That’s a real change for me, and I think, reflective of wider change.

I still have hope.
In the late 90s and early 00s, I was just starting out in adulthood, and though I often thought about donning a pretty skirt or dress, or even letting my hair grow out, it was completely unthinkable.

Living in what was still very much a traditional and conservative society, with a strong "southern" identity, anything remotely queer was out of the question. You couldn't hold a job as it was written in every dress code that males are not allowed to grow out their hair, wear jewelry other than a BASIC wedding band (no stones) no makeup, no nail polish, and certainly no skirts!

The rhetoric around town was that people who do such things "had better keep their asses in California... or else...".

Yes, we (as a overall society) have come a VERY long way indeed! Though we have our red and blue states, American culture by and large has gotten a lot more open minded and dare I say... liberal (the old definition).

Aside from our problems, it's still a good time to be alive in my opinion.
It's not a big deal unless you make it one.
FLbreezy
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 323
Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:40 pm
Location: Florida, USA

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by FLbreezy »

ScotL wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:44 pm
Excellent find Coder, you have a knack for finding these. Being a computer guy, can you do a search for how many MIS articles there are a month or year? It seems in the last two years there’s been an uptick? I know on social media the number of hashtags for men in skirts has skyrocketed. For whatever that’s worth
This might be fun to play around with (use related terms) but shows kind of a flat level of interest: https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... 0for%20men
ScotL
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 886
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:43 am

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by ScotL »

FLbreezy wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:26 pm
ScotL wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:44 pm
Excellent find Coder, you have a knack for finding these. Being a computer guy, can you do a search for how many MIS articles there are a month or year? It seems in the last two years there’s been an uptick? I know on social media the number of hashtags for men in skirts has skyrocketed. For whatever that’s worth
This might be fun to play around with (use related terms) but shows kind of a flat level of interest: https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... 0for%20men
Very interesting. Likely there’s some difficulty in accuracy but still interesting. This link is worldwide for mens skirts since 2004.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... t&date=all
new2skirts
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 691
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:33 pm

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by new2skirts »

ScotL wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:42 pm
FLbreezy wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:26 pm
ScotL wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:44 pm
Excellent find Coder, you have a knack for finding these. Being a computer guy, can you do a search for how many MIS articles there are a month or year? It seems in the last two years there’s been an uptick? I know on social media the number of hashtags for men in skirts has skyrocketed. For whatever that’s worth
This might be fun to play around with (use related terms) but shows kind of a flat level of interest: https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... 0for%20men
Very interesting. Likely there’s some difficulty in accuracy but still interesting. This link is worldwide for mens skirts since 2004.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... t&date=all
There must be a lot of men searching this as it brings up a 429 search error, as if Google is overwhelmed :mrgreen:

Most of the wearers in public are over on Reddit, Instagram etc as "influencers"... and although some may transition, there's quite a few guys as guys in various skirted outfits. Some have success and fame from it like GenderBlender and Mark Bryan on Instagram. I have seen more young men in skirts in London and don't seem to see much of a reaction from others, so perhaps things are changing in terms of perception 8)
Formerly Kilty / Joe Public etc...
ScotL
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 886
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:43 am

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by ScotL »

When I did the search on google there is a spike in 2017 but in general there has been an increase ever since 2014
User avatar
familyman34
Active Member
Posts: 54
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:55 pm

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by familyman34 »

new2skirts wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:41 am
ScotL wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:42 pm
FLbreezy wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:26 pm


This might be fun to play around with (use related terms) but shows kind of a flat level of interest: https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... 0for%20men
Very interesting. Likely there’s some difficulty in accuracy but still interesting. This link is worldwide for mens skirts since 2004.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explor ... t&date=all
There must be a lot of men searching this as it brings up a 429 search error, as if Google is overwhelmed :mrgreen:

Most of the wearers in public are over on Reddit, Instagram etc as "influencers"... and although some may transition, there's quite a few guys as guys in various skirted outfits. Some have success and fame from it like GenderBlender and Mark Bryan on Instagram. I have seen more young men in skirts in London and don't seem to see much of a reaction from others, so perhaps things are changing in terms of perception 8)
There was a long (15 pages) blog about Mark Bryan on MumsNet, starting in October 2020 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rig ... der?page=1.
Most of the comments seem to be from UK-based women, and are generally rather critical.

Sorry, Mark, if you haven't seen this before!
Familyman34
Coder
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 1771
Joined: Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:40 am

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by Coder »

familyman34 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:11 pm
There was a long (15 pages) blog about Mark Bryan on MumsNet, starting in October 2020 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rig ... der?page=1.
Most of the comments seem to be from UK-based women, and are generally rather critical.
Wow, mixed opinions for sure. Some pretty nasty opinions.
User avatar
moonshadow
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 6551
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:58 am
Contact:

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by moonshadow »

Coder wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:40 pm
familyman34 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:11 pm
There was a long (15 pages) blog about Mark Bryan on MumsNet, starting in October 2020 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rig ... der?page=1.
Most of the comments seem to be from UK-based women, and are generally rather critical.
Wow, mixed opinions for sure. Some pretty nasty opinions.
Only read the first two pages...

A mixed bag for sure...

Seems mostly positive or at least neutral.

Well.... when something goes viral, people will talk.
It's not a big deal unless you make it one.
Coder
Member Extraordinaire
Posts: 1771
Joined: Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:40 am

Re: Icon-Icon: The men’s fashion trends for spring-summer 2023

Post by Coder »

moonshadow wrote:
Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:56 am
Coder wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:40 pm
familyman34 wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:11 pm
There was a long (15 pages) blog about Mark Bryan on MumsNet, starting in October 2020 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rig ... der?page=1.
Most of the comments seem to be from UK-based women, and are generally rather critical.
Wow, mixed opinions for sure. Some pretty nasty opinions.
Only read the first two pages...

A mixed bag for sure...

Seems mostly positive or at least neutral.

Well.... when something goes viral, people will talk.
It gets worse the further you go, I read all 15 pages. It was less vitriolic than say, a news story comment section, so props to them for that.

Perhaps I should clarify - I find the back and forth in these types of discussions sections or forums interesting when the people writing are acting in "good faith". There were "nasty opinions" as I wrote, but they seemed genuine. There were also some good questions raised about "man on top, gender neutral on bottom". Is Mark saying to erase women (no, I don't think so, but some on that thread seemed to imply that)? What's so wrong about being feminine all over? Why do we associate certain styles/forms with femininity? Can you divorce femininity from being female? Etc.... Perhaps I read too much into what they were saying, but some of the discussion made me think.
Post Reply