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Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 4:36 pm
by Sinned
When fielding a printer problem from one of the shops in the building components field the first things we asked them to do was to switch the printer off and unplug the power and transmission cables. We would then ask them to put both cables back and in the majority of cases the problem would resolve itself. Over time one of the cables would work loose, hence the problem. Simplest. Yes I have been on the trenches and am glad to be out. Less stress.

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 5:00 pm
by beachlion
Crfriend just proved that when you try to please everybody, you please nobody. ;)

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 12:34 am
by crfriend
beachlion wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 5:00 pm
Crfriend just proved that when you try to please everybody, you please nobody. ;)
I'm not the first, and I suspect I'm not even close to being the last in that regard. 'Tis a pity we somehow feel the need to reinvent the wheel...

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 3:21 am
by denimini
crfriend wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 2:23 pm
Sinned wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 1:55 pm
I had it and now it's gone.
See post 35 in the thread. I got tired of taking stick for it so I disabled it.
I cannot possibly fix everybody's browser everywhere.
I never had the clock. Proves that what you don't know about you don't miss. I just look at the bottom right of the screen or my phone for time.
Often I would rather not know the time, otherwise I might not stay so long at Skirt Cafe.

Anyway thanks for the real time you put in to keeping the essentials going.

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 12:45 pm
by crfriend
Thanks, Anthony.

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:32 am
by denimini
Talking of time; I had this one today :)
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It did make me smile. Are you sure there is not a little man in the box sporting an accurate watch, perhaps of a bureaucratic bent.
No need to explain the technical side thanks.

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:42 pm
by pelmut
crfriend wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 2:40 pm
pelmut wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 1:23 pm
...and, when questioned for that evidence, they answer at great length with every piece of information you already know, several times over, in different ways, but entirely omit to tell you the vital piece of information you actually asked for.
I see somebody else has spent time in the trenches...
Trying to diagnose the cause of a less-than-straightforward fault in a DVD recorder today (by 'phone) I asked the owner the same question three times and twice got a reply of "mmm" in a sort-of affirmative tone followed by a load of irrelevant misleading guesswork.  After the third time there was a pause, followed by "sorry, I don't know what that means".

This was from someone whose job had been servicing mainframes.

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:47 pm
by crfriend
pelmut wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:42 pm
This was from someone whose job had been servicing mainframes.
A lot of the problem is that many -- if not most -- folks don't know their limits and are ashamed to admit that when they are outside of them.

Out of curiosity, what was the question?

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:27 pm
by beachlion
That sounds so familiar. The worst are the socalled experts by intuition. They think they know the answer to the problem but are afraid to open a cabinet or dig into settings. They try to impress you with their "knowledge," can not define the problem but know the solution.

I go along the timeline. When did you notice a strange behavior first? What was it? Did you smell anything unusual? Manuals online and repair videos on YouTube are also helpful. Then you know where to push to pop a cover open without breaking tabs.

Sometimes it is such a simple thing but turns out to be very helpful. When cleaning the oven, I saw a small sticking out the frame of the oven door. It could be for a light but I never saw a light in the oven or even the location. With a flash light I found a dark round blob in the upper corner. I could unscrew it and I had a glass dome and a large nut in my hands. It appeared the oven came from my wife's sister in law over 40 year ago and the light never worked. I cleaned the lens, bought an oven lamp and now I can see what I cook.

In my first year in this house I had to redo some electric wiring. A few lights that were to be operated from two switches never functioned. Also three ceiling light and a fan did not work while the wires were installed. With a note pad on my knee I could reconstruct it and even improve somewhat.

I have a strange attitude: if I think something should work as it was intended and it is not, I dive into it and don't let go before it is fully functional.

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:38 pm
by pelmut
crfriend wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:47 pm
pelmut wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:42 pm
This was from someone whose job had been servicing mainframes.
A lot of the problem is that many -- if not most -- folks don't know their limits and are ashamed to admit that when they are outside of them.

Out of curiosity, what was the question?
The problem was whether the interconnections between the recorder and a television set were the cause of intermittent loss of sound.  There were several different ways of connecting the two together and after listening to a long tortuous description of some multi-plugged RGB-like arrangement I asked: "is this RGB with synch on green?"  As the owner had later worked for many years as a computer journalist, I thought he would be familiar with the term in relation to CRT monitors.

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:58 pm
by crfriend
pelmut wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:38 pm
The problem was whether the interconnections between the recorder and a television set were the cause of intermittent loss of sound.  There were several different ways of connecting the two together and after listening to a long tortuous description of some multi-plugged RGB-like arrangement I asked: "is this RGB with synch on green?"  As the owner had later worked for many years as a computer journalist, I thought he would be familiar with the term in relation to CRT monitors.
His inability to articulate an answer is illustrated with a single word in the paragraph above.

That being said, I've been around for a good many years and have seen (and owned) all manner of interesting video gear, but I have never once seen an RGB SoG interconnect with the exception of studio-grade gear and projection systems -- and with those the audio is always handled with completely separate equipment. In any event, if you've got one of those things, then you ought to know how to handle it.

I'm still torqued off that I jettisoned the old studio-grade monitor I had which was RGB SoG because it would have made a nice display for some of the hardware that I had yet to acquire and which multi-synch monitors will not handle (think NTSC scanning frequencies).

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:23 am
by Pdxfashionpioneer
I recognize that this is probably changing the subject BIG time, but it IS unsettling.

When I logged on, Windows popped up a warning that this site is not secure.

I don't remember seeing that ever before. Do you know what's going on? Can you correct whatever is causing this?

I can't imagine such a warning will increase participation in our forum.

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:58 am
by crfriend
Pdxfashionpioneer wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:23 am
When I logged on, Windows popped up a warning that this site is not secure.
Were you using the https:// protocol or the http:// protocol. The "s" make a big difference as that's the one that uses SSL (Secure Sockets Layer). The http:// protocol still works but lacks encryption and end-to-end security.

If you were using https:// then I'd advise scanning your system for viruses and malware.

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:54 pm
by Fred in Skirts
crfriend wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:58 am
Were you using the https:// protocol or the http:// protocol. The "s" make a big difference as that's the one that uses SSL (Secure Sockets Layer). The http:// protocol still works but lacks encryption and end-to-end security.
If you were using https:// then I'd advise scanning your system for viruses and malware.
And some of us who still have to use old windows programs because the newer ones will not run the programs we like or have to use. As well as the computers just can't run the new stuff. So it is a very big help for us that it is still active and has not been done away with.. :D

Re: Here we go again...

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:40 pm
by crfriend
Fred in Skirts wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:54 pm
And some of us who still have to use old windows programs because the newer ones will not run the programs we like or have to use. As well as the computers just can't run the new stuff. So it is a very big help for us that it is still active and has not been done away with.. :D
That facet of things is just part of the way I do things in the real world. It's also a sometimes source of frustration to the kiddies on the block with multi-megabit/second 'Net connections. Why? Because I set things up so that the forum can actually be used over a dial-up link. It's painful, of course, but it works; that's one of the reasons that the size of uploaded images is fairly tightly controlled.

On encryption and the https:// protocol: Up until a few years ago, acquiring a "cert" (or "certificate") was an expensive and very, very cumbersome ordeal so most sites didn't use it unless there were compelling reasons (e.g. commerce where credit and monetary details are being passed). Nowadys, however, there are providers who were specifically set up to provide this service either very economically or at no cost to the holder of the certificate, so long as he can prove that he owns the server that the certificate is issued to. This is how not only Skirt Cafe gets its certificates, but also the server that lives in my kitchen; if we had to pay several hundred bucks per year to, say Verisign or Network Solutions, the cost would have been prohibitive. These certificates expire every 90 days, but software exists that can make them renew automatically. The suite at Skirt Cafe is built into our hosting provider; I wrote the one that runs my kitchen server.

"We've come a long way baby" went the cigarette ad from the '60s and '70s [0], but that's no reason to stop supporting folks who aren't on the very latest whiz-bang kit. I could easily make the site so bandwidth and compute-cycle intensive that you'd need a supercomputer to read a single paragraph -- but I am not going to do that. For years I accessed --- and controlled -- this site from a 90 MHz computer on a 24.4 kb/s dialup connection and, yes, it was painful. I'm not going to inflict that on others. Full stop. But I do try to keep up with best practises, and encryption is one of those.


[0] and is one of the reason that women now have roughly the same incidence of lung cancers as men.