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The Other Side Of George Floyd

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Email from a good friend :arrow:

The Other Side Of George Floyd

Candace Owens[0]: ‘George Floyd is not my Martyr; he may be yours’

“What I’m saying is not any defense for Derek Chauvin; I hope Derek Chauvin gets
the justice that he deserves” and George Floyd’s family also for the way that he
died. But, “George Floyd is not my martyr. He may be yours.” So said Candace Owens
a black defender of liberty in a recent YouTube video.

Owens continues, “But I also am not going to accept the narrative that this is
the best the black community has to offer. For whatever reason, it has become
fashionable and despicable for us, the last few years, to turn criminals into
heros overnight.” And “I’m not going to play a part in it, no matter how much
pressure comes from black liberals and black conservatives.”

Officer Derek Chauvin is portrayed by the media “as the devil, that he is” and
is not uplifted or defended by white Americans “but George Floyd is being
uplifted as an amazing human being,” which he is not. At the time of his arrest,
he was high on fentanyl and methamphetamine, according to both autopsy reports.
The 911 police call transcript calling for help “described somebody who was
out-of-their-mind high,” and that they were fearful of his behavior both during
his attempt to use “a fake bill to purchase something” and thereafter until police
arrived.

A clip of him placed in handcuffs and against the wall showed a white baggie falling
from his body. “The media is refusing to circulate it,” Owens said. “You can find it
on Twitter if you use DuckDuckGo and look up, George Floyd baggie. You can watch
the clip yourself with your own eyes. He had drugs on him at the time of his arrest.”

So what else has the media not shared about Mr. Floyd? Apparently he has been a
convicted felon for some time — at least five times, beginning in 1998 with “theft
with a firearm.” For that, he served 10 months. And again, eight months in 2004,
“for a cocaine offense.” And again for cocaine another ten months in 2005. Another
ten months for cocaine in 2007.

But the event that convinced Candace Owens most that Floyd was not a good
person — most certainly not the outstanding citizen to have T-shirts made and
distributed in his name as a pillar of society representing the black community — was
when he and five others forced entry into a black pregnant woman’s home to
rob her.

“George Floyd took out a gun and pressed it to her stomach. She was screaming,
begging for her life and he put her inside of her living room and instructed one
of his criminal friends that were with him to watch her, and to make sure she
didn’t leave the living room … while they ransacked [her] home looking for drugs
and money.” Finding neither, they ended up taking her wallet and cell phone.
A neighbor, viewing some of the above, called in the license plate of the vehicle
driven by Floyd and he served a five-year sentence, his sixth, being released in 2014.
Owens was quick to note that, even with a record you may deserve another chance.
People make mistakes. “But I do draw the line when it comes to second, third, fourth,
fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth chances.” But Floyd was still breaking laws dealing
with counterfeiting, using fentanyl and methamphetamine when arrested on May 25, 2020.
None of this justifies a police officer placing his knee on the prostrated victim’s neck
causing his death. Nothing!

Still, “he was an example of a violent criminal his entire life. This does not mean that he
deserves to die at the hands of police but,” Owens explains, “it does mean that I am not
going to play a part of the broken black culture that always wants to martyr criminals.
Who wants to pretend they were these upstanding human beings.”

Owens was noticeably disturbed with America’s rush to judgment. Few were willing to
wait for other information before taking to the streets to burn, loot, and riot against
one another. “I did just basic searches,” she said, implying that anyone could know the
same by doing a little homework.

George Floyd is a martyr for a fake narrative. “Racially motivated police brutality
is a myth.” She cites 2018 figures showing that violent white criminals have a 25%
higher chance of dying from police than black violent criminals. Moreover, that nine u
narmed blacks versus 19 unarmed whites were killed in 2018. “Unfortunately, the
black community … commits a disproportionate amount of crimes compared to the
white community … black men, 6% of the population, count for 44% of all murders i
n this country according to 2018 statistics.” Respecting the myth that cops hunt blacks
disproportionately because they are black, she added, that this is “complete smoke
and mirrors! It’s all made up! It’s just election fodder! It’s white versus black because i
t’s an election year.”

Not only are we allowing this myth “to inspire riots, riots in which black people are
dying, in which actual upstanding black citizens are dying.” She references, 77-year-old
David Dorn, a black retired police officer just defending a black friend’s pawn shop,
openly murdered by a black assailant.

With respect to black on black crime which is the major problem in black communities,
never addressed by Democrat media or politicians, “We blame white people. Right!
We only point a camera to white people when they do something, even though we do
it at a higher rate to ourselves, right!”

She might have added, “And it works so well for keeping my people enslaved to the
Democrat Party.” So “if you want to hang up posters of criminals on your wall and
talk about them as your martyrs, do it, do it, you can do it!” But “you’re not going
to catch me outside, trying to grab a TV pretending it’s because a martyr named
George Floyd got killed.”


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[0]Candace Amber Owens Farmer (born April 29, 1989) is an American conservative
commentator and political activist. In 2012, she took a job as an administrative
assistant for a private equity firm in Manhattan, New York, later moving up to
become its vice president of administration.
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A nice example of “whataboutery” there. Have you checked the stats? I’d be interested in seeing how robust - or selective - they are.

I do not think Floyd was a martyr. He was a petty criminal. He did not deserve to die. I’ll not be wearing a T-shirt bearing his face. But he did not deserve to die.

How about accepting that racism does exist and come to terms with that? Do you think that all this pent up anger is just....there? That there’s no reason for it?

Putting “she might have added” comments into the mix is disingenuous. As the comments were not made, why add fiction to your story? It has the unfortunate effect of diluting any point you were trying to make.

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I see you DID miss the point Ray.

As I stated at the very beginning, "this is an email I received from a good friend".
I did not add any comments to this email I received. The writings ARE from
Candace Owens, a black lady who came up the hard way. She wants nothing
to do with the BLM/Floyd agenda. She has said in other interviews that the
BLM, etc., are works of agitators to pit Black against White in our country.
She is a well educated person. The only comment I made was
[0]Candace Amber Owens Farmer (born April 29, 1989) is an American conservative
commentator and political activist. In 2012, she took a job as an administrative
assistant for a private equity firm in Manhattan, New York, later moving up to
become its vice president of administration.
She is not a 'dumb' person but someone who values a good work ethic.

I don't give a 'Rats Nest' about what kind or type of wrapping paper a human
person is colored with - we are all the same, male & female, on the inside.
Our character is observed, and determined by how we treat others.
"Give no respect - Get no respect". Show love and caring to, and for, others
and it will come back to you, ten fold.

It never fails - - :twisted: - - Any time I try to show support for the office
of the POTUS, that agitators are trying to promote racisim, that Socialists
are trying(and succeeding is small ways) to take over America,
I GET RIPPED TO SHREDS - THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

I have witnessed many 'events' in my 69 years on this planet, that were
planned to "Take Down America". Thankfully, those 'events' were not
successful. This stems from the "Marxist"(to widely use the term) followers
demanding this or that, saying "Oh the Government will take care of us".

People don't realize that "What the Government can give you, the Government
CAN TAKE IT AWAY".

HEY AMERICA - WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!
DON'T BE COMPLACENT, STAND UP AND BE COUNTED
AS BEING FOR AMERICA!


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I can respect peoples opinions against socialism, but I do grow weary of having to constantly witness rants about socialism from people who really don't know what socialism is.

I'm not directing this towards Uncle Al, rather I have seen many comments and articles written by people who clearly have no clue.

One in particular wrote his opinions to the editor of the local paper
He was correct to state that socialism generally equals more taxes, but he failed to explore why this is so.

I just wish people would take the time to actually explore issues and formulate a rational opinion before they take to the pen and paper and rebuke it.

I mean... how many people assume we're homosexual for wearing skirts because of the stereotype? Very few people ever stop to ask me "why?".

The Encyclopedia Britannica I got ($5 for the whole set) at the library has a very large and informative article on socialism.

Is socialism your enemy? If it is, that's your right, but isn't is considered wise to know your enemy?
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Uncle Al wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:53 am
I see you DID miss the point Ray.
It never fails - - :twisted: - - Any time I try to show support for the office
of the POTUS, that agitators are trying to promote racisim, that Socialists
are trying(and succeeding is small ways) to take over America,
I GET RIPPED TO SHREDS - THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

I have witnessed many 'events' in my 69 years on this planet, that were
planned to "Take Down America". Thankfully, those 'events' were not
successful. This stems from the "Marxist"(to widely use the term) followers
demanding this or that, saying "Oh the Government will take care of us".
People don't realize that "What the Government can give you, the Government
CAN TAKE IT AWAY".
HEY AMERICA - WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!
DON'T BE COMPLACENT, STAND UP AND BE COUNTED
AS BEING FOR AMERICA!
At 77 I too have seen what the country has become due to the Marxist and Communist ideology being so rampant these days. I have watched countries fall to become governed by the communist and the people suffering at the hands of their leaders. Look at China and North Korea today they have no type of freedom the people are poor to the point of starvation in many areas and the governments do nothing to help them.

Is this what you want in the United States of America??

I sure as hell don't want it for me or my grand children..
Wither you like it or not unless you stop the stupidity it is what is going to happen. The President of the United States Donald Trump is not a politician, he is first and foremost a business man and he is trying run the country the way a business is run. And remember he is very successful at doing that..
Like him or not he is what this country needs and he is YOUR President....
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Here is the video of Candace Owens.

https://youtu.be/JtPfoEvNJ74

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Fred in Skirts wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:47 pm
The President of the United States Donald Trump is not a politician, he is first and foremost a business man and he is trying run the country the way a business is run. And remember he is very successful at doing that..
Successful? This is a guy who gambled away most of his billion-dollar trust fund and left it up to his daddy's accountants to make the best of the situation (this is why he pays no income tax, quite unlike what's left of the working class). This is a guy who lost money -- shedloads of it -- in the casino business where the rules and laws are written so the house wins. The only thing he's any good at is self-aggrandisement and self-promotion. He was even third-rate (if that) as a "reality TV" (There's an oxymoron if there ever was one!) host.

Also of note here is the fact that running a country is one Hell of a lot different than running a business. Businesses are expected to make money; governments are charged with things like looking after their populations. You know, the sorts of things that appear in the Preamble to the Constitution of The United States of America. Governments are not supposed to steal billions, lay everybody off, and leaving the owners split the pile.
Like him or not he is what this country needs and he is YOUR President....
I have been ready for a Pence presidency since January of 2017. This guy makes Cheney/Dubya look like a winner.

He may occupy the presidency of the country I live in but he is in no way shape or form "my" president. The Brits have a term for this: "the loyal opposition"; us Yanks could take a few lessons from that. Just because you cannot stomach a politician does not make you a traitor to the nation; if you oppose a bad one, and the policies enacted you're more of a patriot; failure to oppose someone bad is tantamount to turning your back on the nation.
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Cr you are entitled to your opinions . and that is what they are your opinions. If he pissed away his daddys money where did he get the money that he has he sure as hell is more successful l that me you or anybody else I know

Maybe running a country should be more like a business or else the country will end up a third world s--t---e

Just remember you are entitled to your opinions but they are nothing more than that your opinions. of course you have the monitors button which you use to countermand anyone who disagrees with your opinions .. But they are again just your opinions

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oldsalt1 wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:50 pm
If he pissed away his daddys money where did he get the money that he has he sure as hell is more successful l that me you or anybody else I know
The thing is is that nobody knows how much he's actually got, and he plays that very close to the vest rather unsurprisingly. We do know about his failures, however, as GAAP rules for public companies have to report these sorts of things.
Maybe running a country should be more like a business or else the country will end up a third world s--t---e
Are you calling places like Denmark and Finland "third world s--t---es"? I rather suspect that the citizens there would take umbrage at that assertion. They would smile at the USA and say, "Take a look in the mirror before shooting off your mouth."
[...] of course you have the monitors button which you use to countermand anyone who disagrees with your opinions .. But they are again just your opinions
You will note that I tend to let things stand. Perhaps I should do so more often as the opinions one holds say vastly more about the individual than anybody wants to let on. I am not a fan of censorship, nor do I enjoy the employ of raw power. Those are tools for incompetents and control freaks.
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As places to live, I believe Denmark and Finland are superior to both the UK and the USA. I’ve been to both of course. They are more civilised.

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moonshadow wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:18 pm
https://youtu.be/cxOmaQx4BY4
No comments on the posted video?

Thus we continue to jab one liners and learn nothing....

*sighs* such is life I suppose. God help us.
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moonshadow wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:55 pm
moonshadow wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:18 pm
https://youtu.be/cxOmaQx4BY4
No comments on the posted video?

Thus we continue to jab one liners and learn nothing....

*sighs* such is life I suppose. God help us.
I saw most of it. It is quite clear in explaining things. Even if it is a little simplified here and there. Personally I don't think it opened new windows for me. With almost 76, I'm set in my view of the world. ;)
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beachlion wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:17 pm
moonshadow wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:55 pm
moonshadow wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:18 pm
https://youtu.be/cxOmaQx4BY4
No comments on the posted video?

Thus we continue to jab one liners and learn nothing....

*sighs* such is life I suppose. God help us.
I saw most of it. It is quite clear in explaining things. Even if it is a little simplified here and there. Personally I don't think it opened new windows for me. With almost 76, I'm set in my view of the world. ;)
Yeah, I figured you'd get it, and a few others did... sadly those whom it was intended for... not so much. :(
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Being Dutch, it seems I have an idea about Socialism that is quite different from the general view in the USA. I really don't understand it because if you are not social, you will not fit in any community. And with the current social distancing, the word seems very popular.

My grand-father was a Socialist. Around 1900 he marched with like minded people from the outskirts of The Hague to the center for meetings. They tried to get better circumstances for the working classes. And changes to things as 12 hour working days, 6 days a week, child labour, dangerous workshops and no invalidity allowance were much needed.

They marched in old fashioned style with red banners. Sometimes they run into groups of right-wing strong arms at the city border and a fight would start. The police was waiting in side streets and only when the marchers were winning, they mixed in the fight and dispersed the bunch.

My father was a member of a metal workers union and was active in the organisation of a local chapter. I never became a member of the Dutch Socialistic Party because they only aligned with my own ideas for maybe 50% to 75%. I could not commit to that party. However I try to live according to their core values. And all my life I voted for that party because in my eyes it was the least bad deal.

What Roosevelt (from Dutch heritage) proposed in Moons video is the core of Socialisme. It is a far cry from the nanny state like some distractors assume. For centuries, charity from religion or rich people did not work. The poor and sick were not cared for so the state had to step in. The leading priciple as said of the government is to behave like a good father would do to his chidren, strict but just.

To go back to the original subject and the connected police brutality, the Dutch police is very closely monitored. The Dutch weapon laws are extremely restricting, when you cross the street with a screw driver, you need to proof you are working on something otherwise it will be seen as a weapon. If a police officer unlocks his holster he has to report this, even if he did not touch his gun. After every shooting, the police officer will be back to desk duty untill an independent detective team has cleared the officer. The police in general is held to higher standards than the rest of the populace. Even with this approach, now and then it goes wrong and a suspect dies from police handling. When the police has to shoot, seldom a suspect is killed unless the officer or the public was in danger. They are trained to immobilize a suspect, so they try to shoot in a leg or a shoulder after the first shot goes into the air.
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