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My wife and I attended the local Black Lives Matter protest today. I'm usually out and about in skirts, but thinking there might be news coverage that would seek to portray us as oddballs and misfits, I chose to wear shorts instead. Or would it be better to wear a skirt anyway as a symbol of diversity?

I was happy that people did a pretty good job of covering their faces and keeping their distance.
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I don't think wearing a skirt would have been a problem.

If you're seen at the protest, you're already going to be branded by the opposing side anyway... so might as well make it count!
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somebody please explain why all of these protests are being allowed yet the fellow down the street can't open his barber shop

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I am not sure it is wise opening this political can of worms in this particular forum as everyone will have their own views, and some will be strong views that are likely to cause offence and resentment.

Let's stick to talking about skirts.

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oldsalt1 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:50 am
somebody please explain why all of these protests are being allowed yet the fellow down the street can't open his barber shop
I don't think this is a matter of "permitting". Generally speaking, protests happen under extra-legal circumstances when the citizenry -- or a subset thereof -- becomes convinced that the legal system is either unable or unwilling to tackle a perceived problem, or even address it head on. The barber shop is remaining closed because the owner is following a legal order to to so.

The two aren't particularly comparable.
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The Barber Shop is closed due to health issues related to the virus - proximity to others who may be active or passive carriers of it.

Now unfortunately some Barber Shops Salons Beauty Spas (manicure) were torched (arson) by roving bands of anarchist-protesters not protesting about George Floyd
but about heavy handed police tactics and the Black Lives Matter Issue. Just using George Floyd as an excuse to further their cause.

This has not been pleasant - weeks of quarantine and then the curfew to control the rioting crowds (of limited effect) until the authorities established
some degree of law and order (National Guard called in) - this resulting in the arrests of legitimate peaceful protesters instead of the anarchist flaming individuals
torching breaking windows painting graffiti and everything short of nuking the town - estimated upwards of several hundred million $$$ damage.
All this on top of the virus closing businesses and now have nothing but a burned out shell to return to start up their livelihood breadwinning enterprise.

Note: Not all Barber Shops were burned down just a few in the ravaged area of south Minneapolis and one in northeast Minneapolis.
Go Funding charity has already accumulated enough money to restart these businesses with out input from any insurance reimbursements (arson is always a tough issue) !
But there are hundreds of other small businesses that will need a great deal of assistance in getting up and running again.

Barber and Beauty Shops were supposed to open with limitations to occupancy spacing of customers etc. - masks being required except for detailed cuttings.

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Had started to write a post and left it thinking maybe most everyone has seen enough of this:

This being local I did not need to go out on a limb and participate - no skirted representation from me.
With all the televised media including Lester Holt from NBC NYC News every angle was covered -
Did not see any odd ball skirted kilted dressed of the male half
Bad enough that there has been the virus quarantine on top of the curfew -
All that despicable looting and burning why even get close to the mayhem -
Even some of the media were briefly arrested until the Governor intervened.

Sickening I stopped but saved it - - -

That being noted - - -

Time to return to the SkirtCafe - take care - stay safe - no bugs allowed please - and try and make it a better day for all concerned !
"Kilt-On" -or- as the case may be "Skirt-On" !
WHY ?
Isn't wearing a kilt enough?
Well a skirt will do in a pinch!
Make mine short and don't you dare think of pinching there !

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Stu wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:21 am
I am not sure it is wise opening this political can of worms in this particular forum as everyone will have their own views, and some will be strong views that are likely to cause offence and resentment.
Yes! Move this to the off-topic forum, please.
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Peaceful protests are fine, I have no problem with them But the lawless and violent riots are not OK the participants should be arrested and forced to pay for the damage they caused. But when the news media turns it into a jam fest then even the media should pay the price.
As for"Black lives matter", ALL LIVES MATTER not just some subset of the larger community.

And this is all I am going to say on the matter it is closed as far as I am concerned.........
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crfriend wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:46 am
oldsalt1 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:50 am
somebody please explain why all of these protests are being allowed yet the fellow down the street can't open his barber shop
I don't think this is a matter of "permitting". Generally speaking, protests happen under extra-legal circumstances when the citizenry -- or a subset thereof -- becomes convinced that the legal system is either unable or unwilling to tackle a perceived problem, or even address it head on. The barber shop is remaining closed because the owner is following a legal order to to so.

The two aren't particularly comparable.
Recall a few weeks ago, people were protesting not being allowed to cut hair!

See.. no matter what your cause, there's a protest for that... :wink:

In fact... isn't that what we all are doing here to begin with?.. Wearing our skirts and what not in defiance of western customs...?
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moonshadow wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:03 pm
In fact... isn't that what we all are doing here to begin with?.. Wearing our skirts and what not in defiance of western customs...?
In an entirely non-toxic manner, yes -- it is a form of protest. It's also something that has precious little chance of turning violent at our hands. In extreme situations we might have to defend ourselves, but we're not likely to instigate something.

In our case, there exists little or no case law vis-a-vis a prohibition on guys wearing skirts in most jurisdictions, and there is no history of violence. In the Black lives matter situation there, unfortunately, is a history of violence, and it's been propagated by both sides, and I think we have reached a point where "the consent of the governed" no longer applies and arbitrary power is exerted downwards by the establishment which sadly includes extra-judicial killings and occasional outright murder where there is no justice and no recourse. It is no wonder that society is becoming aggrieved at the situation. Pile on going on three months of social isolation, and things can get toxic pretty quickly.

People in large groups can get panicky, and they can be easily led astray. Note how very little it takes to start a stampede -- which is why it's illegal to yell "Fire!" in a crowded movie-house [0] unless there really is one (in which case, one pulls the alarm box). There is a small section of the populace who are bent on causing trouble, and swaying crowds is easy so that's a prime vehicle by which they can produce their mayhem. People in large crowds tend not to think for themselves and merely "follow the herd" -- frequently with disastrous results.

To touch back on the historical ideal of "with the consent of the governed" (which is the foundation of the right to vote): that is increasingly disappearing in the United States. It's been being slowly eroded since the early 1980s, and the rate of erosion has been steadily accelerating since. In the 1960s, take a look at the uproar that the extrajudicial killings at the Kent State anti-Viet Nam-war protest caused. Today there are more than a thousand per year and nobody even seems to flinch at the carnage. In 1970, obscenities like the Patriot Act were unthinkable. Ditto "internal passports". Today we have both and we don't seem to care. In the 1970s everybody took it for granted that you had a right to privacy so long as one was quiet about it; today we live in a surveillance society where the government knows more about its citizens than those citizens likely know about themselves. And yet we do nothing about it. Why? Because we can't. The very system designed to make that impossible has been usurped and the very foundations of the Republic have been undermined.

I seldom post links in charged environments, but I'm going to take a chance this time with a surprisingly-accurate and non-partisan musical analysis of the current situation: The Battle Hymn of the Republic -- Updated for Relevance. The mere music is going to set a large number of teeth in the USA on edge south of the Mason-Dixon Line, but hear the words out. Nobody alive today started that fire, but we're living in its aftermath to this very day.



[0] Is it illegal to yell "Movie!" in a crowded firehouse?
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crfriend wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:35 pm
I seldom post links in charged environments, but I'm going to take a chance this time with a surprisingly-accurate and non-partisan musical analysis of the current situation: The Battle Hymn of the Republic -- Updated for Relevance. The mere music is going to set a large number of teeth in the USA on edge south of the Mason-Dixon Line, but hear the words out. Nobody alive today started that fire, but we're living in its aftermath to this very day.
That was pretty good!

Thanks for sharing.
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Ralph wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:23 pm
Yes! Move this to the off-topic forum, please.
This "Topic" IS in the off-topic section where almost anything goes.
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Uncle Al wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:47 pm
Ralph wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:23 pm
Yes! Move this to the off-topic forum, please.
This "Topic" IS in the off-topic section where almost anything goes.
Actually it's here because I moved it here earlier today. It was originally in "News and Advocacy", but it didn't really fit there based on the section description.
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This started on-topic. My original post was a question about wearing skirts at protests. Like most protests, there was no bad behavior. The discussion of those who take protests as an opportunity to riot because they believe riots will help bring on The Revolution (some on the right, some on the left) would be off-topic.

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As for"Black lives matter", ALL LIVES MATTER not just some subset of the larger community.

And this is all I am going to say on the matter it is closed as far as I am concerned.........
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That is exactly what I said. ALL LIVES MATTER should be the slogan. Surely we don’t want it to be implied that ONLY black lives matter.
In the interest of being even handed the 70+ year old who the police in Buffalo NY knocked down and then ignored as he lay injured was white ( or pinky coloured like me). What would have been the media reaction if he had belonged to an ethnic minority.
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