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Sinned wrote:Carl, I kid you not. One of the reasons quoted as to why diabetic medicine is free is that if left uncontrolled then there is blood vessel and nerve damage leading to circulation problems and amputation of limbs. [...] The NHS is not concerned with making profits and the after-care treatments are part of the NHS; the health insurance industry here doesn't have the clout that it does in the US. It may not be perfect and may be expensive in terms of national cost but it's the best we have.
Therein lies the rub -- the UK has a health care system that is devoted to the well-being of the population. The "system" in the US is profit-driven and benefits the fat-cats in the "insurance" racket. That people are able to see doctors at all is sometimes surprising -- and increasingly hard to do.

I know full well the panoply of problems that arise from diabetes; I also know that it's vastly more profitable to treat it than to cure it. One would think that we'd have licked it by now, but there's too much money in the way. I'm glad yours is under control. Here's hoping it stays that way!
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oldsalt1 wrote:Tell me can you honestly say you have better and cheaper healthcare today than you did pre obama care
No, I don't, and I'm highly likely to lose what I have now thanks to corporate greed. The state of affairs has been growing exponentially worse with time as the profit-motive and unbridled greed siphon more and more money away from health-care providers and into the "insurance" racket. Romneycare guaranteed there would be no competition on rates and hence the "insurance" companies jacked rates through the roof, all the while squeezing the provider and the recipient in the process.

No system is perfect, as the horror-stories told about other countries' health-care systems go to show. However, at least most of the developed world has a system in place for its citizenry. The US stands alone in this regard in having none, save for the Medicare system -- which is actually pretty good -- but which is unavailable to folks younger than 65. If you're younger than 65, one gets to pay massive amounts for "insurance" from which the average individual receives little to no actual value; it's to the point now where even with "insurance" a serious illness or accident is pretty much a guarantee of bankruptcy. Health care has become the reserve of the extremely wealthy. The very least we can do is stop repeating the lies that the insurance industry keep telling us; repeating a lie does not make it true, unless you're in late 1930s Germany.
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Perhaps it's different in your region OldSalt, but for the record:
oldsalt1 wrote: I Quoted John showing what that causes a 6 to 12 month waiting period.
Whenever I call just a general practitioner (ordinary doctor), often times the earliest I can be seen is anywhere from 3-6 months from now. I have combed the phone book looking for a practice that isn't backed up several months to no avail. Specialist here do run anywhere from 3-9 months.
And along with the waiting period comes the oh you are too old for that procedure.
What's interesting about this comment is most elderly have Medicare (government funded single payer system for the elderly). I do not know of any situations where they were told they are "too old" for a procedure.
And I can never remember anyone having a $3000 or more deductable.
I did... well okay, it was $2,000. It's what we had when I started working for Hobart (circa 2005). My employer at the time was kind enough to pay $1500 into it on our behalf. It was something he did out of his pocket to keep premiums low.
Tell me can you honestly say you have better and cheaper healthcare today than you did pre obama care
I will say this is true. However what makes our current system suck is we're forced into buying it by order of law or face penalties if we don't. Also, lets not ignore the fact that the current government installed seems to be in no hurry to change anything. The mandate's still here, and under their plan, if we lapse due to being unemployed or other financial hardship, we get to look forward to a 30% increase in premiums whenever we return. Boy-howdy... it just keeps on favoring the wealthy!! Give me a break... :roll:

I'd also like to point out, I may be mistaken but I believe Obama originally wanted a single payer system when he first pushed for this. When word of it got out, the republicans went on a bunch of tirades about it, got everybody freaked out, scared to death, and right in the middle of trying to get it passed, we had our mid-term elections where republicans took congress and together, BOTH sides passed what Carl calls "Romney-care"... 'mangine that...

I was 29 years old when the A.C.A. was signed into law. And as I absorbed what our "leaders" (rulers) passed down on us, and HOW they went about it (YES dem's I'm pointing a finger at you too- HOW DARE you pass such legislation without even reading it?!?!), I lost faith in 100% of our government and BOTH sides ability to lead. I realized then, once in for all that our government only works for the elite and whatever lobbyist lines their pockets.

I'm not blaming republicans any more than I'm blaming democrats OldSalt, I hate them all, and personally, I think it's time for a new Declaration of Independence.

Our government serves itself, not it's people. It's broken and it needs to be overthrown, and I ain't no "teabagger" but for God's sake our commander in chief lives in a gold lined building in Manhattan... IT. IS. TIME!!! And don't worry N.S.A. (I know you're watching this), I'm not going to start a revolution... hell, can't get people to agree on anything anymore, besides, that would require people getting up out of their arm chair...! Voting won't fix it. Our elections are rigged, and by rigged I mean, we get to choose from two major parties that are on basically the same side on all matters of national importance. They only bicker on silly stuff like who uses what bathroom, and what God people serve, and all of that just serves to keep people preoccupied while they pass all sorts of laws that would rile most people on BOTH sides of the line....
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moonshadow wrote:Our government serves itself, not it's people. It's broken and it needs to be overthrown, and I ain't no "teabagger" but for God's sake our commander in chief lives in a gold lined building in Manhattan...
This is where we make the mistake. The "system" isn't broken -- it's functioning precisely as designed. That it does not represent the common citizenry is also by design; it represents the very top of the economic elite. I have one question that could be used as a proxy for full citizenship in the USA: "Were you born with a $1 billion trust fund?" If "yes", then you're a full citizen; if "no", then it's not your country.
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crfriend wrote:[quote="m


This is where we make the mistake. The "system" isn't broken -- it's functioning precisely as designed. That it does not represent the common citizenry is also by design; it represents the very top of the economic elite. I have one question that could be used as a proxy for full citizenship in the USA: "Were you born with a $1 billion trust fund?" If "yes", then you're a full citizen; if "no", then it's not your country.
This country gives you many freedoms . One of them is the freedom to leave. I see a lot of people complaining but I don't see too many one way tickets being bought.
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Not cool oldsalt. Just not cool... :(
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Might not be Cool Moon...but oh so very true.....
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oldsalt1 wrote:This country gives you many freedoms. One of them is the freedom to leave. I see a lot of people complaining but I don't see too many one way tickets being bought.
Have you researched the issue? I have. Since the 1980s. Very few places want US ex-pats.

In any event, complaining is all that can be done because 99.99% of the population in the US is entirely disenfranchised from the political process. "Were you born with a $1B trust fund?" If "no", then you're in the same boat as I am, and make no bones about it.
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hoborob wrote:Might not be Cool Moon...but oh so very true.....
I disagree. Our country was founded on the freedom to complain, inflict change and address grievances.

I've been told this before by people and I find the remark very rude, disrespectful and un-American. Don't like the way things are done? Tough... if you don't like it leave.

Well... if we ever do get social change... next time the left runs the nation, next time someone tears down a statue.... if you don't like it.... LEAVE!

This "take it or leave it" approach runs both ways.

So America is only for the wealthy and those who support the wealthy now? I don't know what else to say. The comment was uncalled for and a hit below the belt. Carl is owed an apology.
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Moon are you saying that I owe Carl an apology. I didn't say America love it or leave it . What I said is that he has the freedom to leave any time he wants. In other words he can say what ever he wants about MY country .But I can't question his opinions. That sounds a little one sided to me.
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Now I will start the fire storm.

America Love It Or leave IT. "

This is my feeling. If you don't truly love this country for what it gives you then get out.

That doesn't mean that you have to like everything

That doesn't mean that you aren't going to be upset about things.

That doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything that goes on

That doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to change the things that you feel are wrong.

There are a lot of things that aren't fair.

Maybe you won't be able to change the things that you don't like or agree with.

But you have to be thankful that you can at least express how you feel and attempt to effect changes with out fear of repercussion.

We all weren't born with a billion dollar trust fund . Many have had a rough life. Things don't always go the way we want.

I know that there are members of the cafe from around the world, and I don't want to insult anyone , but it seems to me that more people want to come here that anyplace else.

To my non American members I hope that you have the same feelings toward your own country

And finally take your circumstances exactly how they exist and place yourself in any other country in the world . Would you be better off
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oldsalt1 wrote:Moon are you saying that I owe Carl an apology. I didn't say America love it or leave it . What I said is that he has the freedom to leave any time he wants. In other words he can say what ever he wants about MY country .But I can't question his opinions. That sounds a little one sided to me.
Old salt all due respect it's not your country. You don't own the country. Secondly if you don't like reading complaints don't respond to the thread. It's the same as you telling people to leave for complaining. That applies to you too. Turn the other cheek and move on.
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First off I don't mean that I own the country . But it is my country . I am sorry if you cant comprehend the meaning of that statement.

Second this is a forum. And the last I knew a forum is a place for discussion. If the only thing that is allowed is nods of approval then the forum is a fraud. If I wanted a dissertation I look some place else.

And finally I have had quite a few battles with Carl over the months he can take care of himself
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oldsalt1 wrote:First off I don't mean that I own the country . But it is my country . I am sorry if you cant comprehend the meaning of that statement.

Second this is a forum. And the last I knew a forum is a place for discussion. If the only thing that is allowed is nods of approval then the forum is a fraud. If I wanted a dissertation I look some place else.

And finally I have had quite a few battles with Carl over the months he can take care of himself

You're being quite an asshole tonight Oldsalt especially to me. First off I can comprehend just fine secondly if you don't like truths of the matter you don't belong in this country period. You seem to think we have all this freedom the hell we do what we have is dictatorship whether you like it or not. Simple as that. No longer going to give you the satisfaction in attempting to ruin our nights. Yes Carl can hold his own battles just like I can hold mine. Enough said you're not,worth my time.
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Let's get this thread back on the track.

So Carl I was wondering how the matching of the various outfits is working for you? I've seen your outfits lately and looking good.

Jeff is there a difference in the type of camera you have or is it very similar to Moon's?
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