Will skirts for men finally catch on in Generation Z?

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If not, I wonder what generation will be after Z.
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crfriend wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 6:06 pm
ScotL wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:37 pmAnd is the suggestion here that the “they” is a secret cabal of Forbes 500 members that meets together at a super secret locale known only to a few every three months to coordinate the future of society?
That's the joy of the entire thing. They're operating right out in the open in full view of anybody who's paying attention. Why do you think that all the shenanigans in the media are there to distract folks from the facts of what's going on around them?

There's a key word in the above. To offer a clue, it's "attention".
You’re suggesting everyone is clueless but you who see it. Somehow only you understand the world order whilst the rest of us languish in ignorance of what’s going on in plain sight.

What’s easier to believe. There is no global cabal or you somehow are the only one to see it?
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Barleymower wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:14 pm
ScotL wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:37 pm And is the suggestion here that the “they” is a secret cabal of Forbes 500 members that meets together at a super secret locale known only to a few every three months to coordinate the future of society? And somehow everyone who believe this is in the know whereas the rest of us aren’t privy to such secret information? And the people who clean the rooms and cook the food at this super secret locale wouldn’t let the secret out? Or are they all killed to maintain the secrecy. Or, do these all powerful leaders do all the cooking, cleaning, maintaining, traveling, washing, bill paying and gardening themselves. Yeah, that must be it.

This is ludicrous. No offense. But this is not a coordinated effort maintained by a secret society to rule over you. This is what happens when any society states an individual owns something and therefore that something is given worth that another will trade there something of for. So people stockpile “somethings” and some are better than others at it. And by better, I mean some are more willing to screw over their neighbors than others.

And before someone goes off on how socialism is a better system, please take a moment to realize capitalism is alive and well in China. It’s just given a different name with even fewer in the drivers seats.

But in other news, will likely wear a kilt in the snowy north with usual socks pulled up and leggings underneath. It’s -10 Celsius. Should be interesting
You are are right there is no big mind control. If people choose to believe the sanctioned news sources, that's their choice. That's what it is there for.
Think of a country as a company, a company that cares more about wealth and power over its people.
Here’s the “funny” thing about sanctioned news sources. People always claim the media is false yet to prove that, you’d have to know the truth. And unless you can be everywhere at once, you can’t independently sanction each news story. So you have to get the informations from, wait for it, the media. Ever wonder why the “sanctioned news sources” are the exact news sources that state things you don’t want to believe?

That’s actually a proven thing from the University of Michigan I think. People only trust news sources that state an already held position. In other words, news sources that provide information that runs counter to what you already believe are called untrustworthy.

No one likes to hear the truth when it contradicts what you believe. We’d rather kill the messenger than contemplate the truth.
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ScotL wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:41 amYou’re suggesting everyone is clueless but you who see it.
No, I am but suggesting that only a plurality of the population is clueless as to what's going on -- and that, too, is easy to see why. Step back from the problem and look at it from different angles -- and beware that there is more than just one problem in play, because there are several, most of which play upon emotions in problematic ways. However, I suspect this line of thought is not going to show any headway so I'll just let it drop here.
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denimini wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:34 am If not, I wonder what generation will be after Z.
Ah, we'd need Crystal Balls for that, quite rare I believe.
Meantime, I will just carry on in my own uniquely clueless way.

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ScotL wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:46 am
Barleymower wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:14 pm
ScotL wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:37 pm And is the suggestion here that the “they” is a secret cabal of Forbes 500 members that meets together at a super secret locale known only to a few every three months to coordinate the future of society? And somehow everyone who believe this is in the know whereas the rest of us aren’t privy to such secret information? And the people who clean the rooms and cook the food at this super secret locale wouldn’t let the secret out? Or are they all killed to maintain the secrecy. Or, do these all powerful leaders do all the cooking, cleaning, maintaining, traveling, washing, bill paying and gardening themselves. Yeah, that must be it.

This is ludicrous. No offense. But this is not a coordinated effort maintained by a secret society to rule over you. This is what happens when any society states an individual owns something and therefore that something is given worth that another will trade there something of for. So people stockpile “somethings” and some are better than others at it. And by better, I mean some are more willing to screw over their neighbors than others.

And before someone goes off on how socialism is a better system, please take a moment to realize capitalism is alive and well in China. It’s just given a different name with even fewer in the drivers seats.

But in other news, will likely wear a kilt in the snowy north with usual socks pulled up and leggings underneath. It’s -10 Celsius. Should be interesting
You are are right there is no big mind control. If people choose to believe the sanctioned news sources, that's their choice. That's what it is there for.
Think of a country as a company, a company that cares more about wealth and power over its people.
Here’s the “funny” thing about sanctioned news sources. People always claim the media is false yet to prove that, you’d have to know the truth. And unless you can be everywhere at once, you can’t independently sanction each news story. So you have to get the informations from, wait for it, the media. Ever wonder why the “sanctioned news sources” are the exact news sources that state things you don’t want to believe?

That’s actually a proven thing from the University of Michigan I think. People only trust news sources that state an already held position. In other words, news sources that provide information that runs counter to what you already believe are called untrustworthy.

No one likes to hear the truth when it contradicts what you believe. We’d rather kill the messenger than contemplate the truth.
The facts presented on sanctioned news outlets is true. It is true, biased and exaggerated towards a particular view point. Other equally important news is omitted. The pandemic was a very good example. Covid 24/7.
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ScotL wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:46 am ... People always claim the media is false yet to prove that, you’d have to know the truth. And unless you can be everywhere at once, you can’t independently sanction each news story.
Not necessarily.  If a news story reports 500,000 deaths from Covid on the Isle of Wight, and the total population of the IoW is 150,000 you know the story is false.  You don't have to investigate every single death or even know the truth about the actual death toll to prove it.  Similarly many other 'news' stories can be reasonably assumed to be false, or attempting to create a false impression, by anyone with a little bit of basic background knowledge.
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I tend to follow the BBC (radio, TV, and web), with healthy doses of Reuters as a global balance, and I treat most newspapers as basically accurate but biased; but the more popular tabloids don't report news except as a hook for editorial opinion. When I was in the United States, I followed the British media: there was one decent radio news channel out of Washington DC, but otherwise I got a better idea of the news from the (satirical) Colbert Report than from American TV news.
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pelmut wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:20 pm
ScotL wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:46 am ... People always claim the media is false yet to prove that, you’d have to know the truth. And unless you can be everywhere at once, you can’t independently sanction each news story.
Not necessarily.  If a news story reports 500,000 deaths from Covid on the Isle of Wight, and the total population of the IoW is 150,000 you know the story is false.  You don't have to investigate every single death or even know the truth about the actual death toll to prove it.  Similarly many other 'news' stories can be reasonably assumed to be false, or attempting to create a false impression, by anyone with a little bit of basic background knowledge.
Look at you, using math and stuff.

When COVID hit, I started seeing big scary numbers of deaths. So I started doing the math: how many total people in the US (population), divided by life expectancy in years, divided by 365 days per year, gives you how many people die on an average day in the US. It put the numbers in perspective.

Find a way to do this, even with rough numbers, whenever you see large numbers reported about things you aren't familiar with. Are these reasonable? Are they out of the ordinary? Are they something to worry about? Are they even possible?

Remember the old (paraphrased): one death is a tragedy, a hundred is a statistic.

Goes well with the three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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Myopic Bookworm wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:01 pm
Barleymower wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:33 pm My own contention is that the 'they" wanted women out of the home and paying more tax and a broken, obedient man. They can't fully control everything .. 'They" have attempted to destroy the new knowledge by labeling anything they don't like as conspiracy or false news. Providing their own fact checkers.
I don't recognize your "they". Ideologies that want "broken, obedient men" are almost invariably those that also want silent, subservient women.

(The reverse does not hold: some of the ideologies that want silent, subservient women also seem to want arrogant, overbearing men; and while men at the top of the pile oppress other men, the ones at the bottom of the pile have to resort to abusing women.)
Not true. Feminism wanted women "liberated" and "empowered" (i.e.: "out of the home") and men to be torn down ("broken, obedient"). What do you think slogans like "smash the patriarchy" or "the future is female" mean? Some were more blunt, but those phrases should be familiar.

Intentionally or not, feminism did expand the base of taxpaying workers, so big government types (mostly male) were happy to support it. They (big gov't types) and their friends in industry also wanted "workers" who could be kept busy, would do what they are told, and make those at the top (gov't or industry) fabulously wealthy. Thus, they also instituted the modern school system, with shift bells like a factory, regurgitation of facts (as opposed to critical thinking), and mothers freed up to work elsewhere (as feminists wanted) instead of instilling their kids with their own values and ideals at home.

Women were incredibly powerful throughout history, because they shaped the next generation. Some men held a different sort of power, as leaders in other spheres, but leadership is always a minority (and has had some females among the ranks). Feminism sold women the lie that if they worked outside the home like the average man,* that they would gain the power of the few men at the top of society. In doing so, it got them to abandon the enormous power they already had, allowing the state to step in and take that over, effectively giving what was once women's power over to those (mostly male) elite few people at the top of society. Not a conspiracy or anything, just the results of selfish people interacting with a flawed ideology.


*Even this arrangement of men working outside the home was a relatively new development, historically, only becoming the norm during the industrial revolution. Before that, most families lived and worked together, with a family farm or business and everyone pitching in at times, and a man working in a field or building (smith's shop, bakery, etc.) adjacent to the home, eating every meal together with his family, to be another positive influence on, and example for, his children. Hopefully with the advent of widespread telework, we may soon move to a modern version of this older, healthier system.
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familyman34 wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:20 am
Tazzmac wrote: Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:30 pm
STEVIE wrote: Mon Jan 02, 2023 2:26 am I may be wrong but the only soldiers who fought in kilts in WW1 and 2 were Scots or in Scottish based regiments.
In fact, in the 2nd World War, most kilts would have been for ceremony and not action.
The Scots uniform in the first war did nothing to alleviate the horrors and tribulation of trench fighting.
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G'day Stevie...You are right . In WW 2 they didn't so much fight in kilts like WW1 but they still wore them as soldiers for commemorations , military parades and such as soldiers prepared to lay their lives on the line for the country . In WW1 they were famous for fighting in the mud and slush in a kilt probably like in most previous conflicts .. It still is a part of military and police history in several countries that are part of the Commonwealth of Nations to have kilts as a part of their uniforms for ceremonial purposes if it fits their role. ...

Cheers
During WW1, kilt-wearing soldiers were often issued with kilt-covers to keep the tartan clean, sometimes just an apron, sometimes a full cover. (For the latter, see the catalogue record in the Imperial War Museum: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30097669)

There is also a book, titled "Those Bloody Kilts: The Highland Soldier in the Great War"; the online blurb includes some nice illustrations. https://mediadrumworld.com/2019/06/27/k ... rs-of-ww1/
Interesting info , thanks.. I'm a huge British Comedy fan ..Unabashed Carry On movies fan in particular .. Does anybody recall in Carry On Up The Khyber when the British soldiers dealt with the enemy by hoisting the kilts ...another great scene in that movie was when they were under attack but afternoon tea continued as the soldiers and guests partook of the meal ...classic ... Even in Braveheart the Great Kilt was used as an insult to English conformity...See , the kilt is a dangerous piece of kit .. Cheers ..
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Slightly off topic (sort of ) but imagine this in regard to my previous post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWhOMmFr7Dc . For anyone who has never seen this movie , the old phrase that they don't make them like they used to certainly rings true here ...It's 55 years since this was made and it's just as funny as ever .. This is just a taste of it .. Heaps of the Carry On movies were just plain fun to watch . Cheers
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Dust wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:17 pm Not true. Feminism wanted women "liberated" and "empowered" (i.e.: "out of the home") and men to be torn down ("broken, obedient"). What do you think slogans like "smash the patriarchy" or "the future is female" mean? Some were more blunt, but those phrases should be familiar.
The interesting thing about those memes is that they are largely a modern invention. The concept of patriarchy as a useful way of describing the problem was already discredited by feminists in the 1980s as being woefully insufficient. For example, "smash the patriarchy" specifically has seen a resurgence since 2016 as discussed in this article. As they discuss, it's used by various groups, but it still has exactly the same problems the caused it to be rejected by feminists the first time: "it's failure to address how women’s experiences differ across race, class and sexuality". Which leaves it open to attack from many different fronts.

If you're at all interested in the concept of memes and how they are (ab)used, it's an interesting article.
Dust wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:17 pm Feminism sold women the lie that if they worked outside the home like the average man,* that they would gain the power of the few men at the top of society. In doing so, it got them to abandon the enormous power they already had, allowing the state to step in and take that over, effectively giving what was once women's power over to those (mostly male) elite few people at the top of society. Not a conspiracy or anything, just the results of selfish people interacting with a flawed ideology.
I think you need to distinguish that for the vast majority of women, feminism was about women's rights. There was a radical group that was all about patriarchy but that was really a small group. What you write here sounds very close to saying that women should stay at home and raise kids, which is something I totally reject. They, like everyone else, should have the right to choose their lives as they see fit, without having to justify it to anyone. I know several men who would love to be stay-at-home dads, but the system fails them too.
Dust wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:17 pm *Even this arrangement of men working outside the home was a relatively new development, historically, only becoming the norm during the industrial revolution. Before that, most families lived and worked together, with a family farm or business and everyone pitching in at times, and a man working in a field or building (smith's shop, bakery, etc.) adjacent to the home, eating every meal together with his family, to be another positive influence on, and example for, his children. Hopefully with the advent of widespread telework, we may soon move to a modern version of this older, healthier system.
Fortunately, the right to work from home (where feasible) is already there in many jurisdictions. Although it should be remembered that one of the main goals when creating the school system was to eliminate child labour. And once children go to school, what on earth is a stay-at-home parent going to do all day?
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I'm not going to answer all those antifeminist points in detail because I don't know where to start. I am a stay-at-home dad, and have been working part-time from home ever since my wife went back to the office after maternity leave. My wife is highly intellectual and competent, and life as a housewife would not only waste her administrative and academic talents but would drive her insane with boredom. I can't say I find housework intensely fulfilling myself, so why should I expect her to? Am I incapable of instilling values in the next generation because I am a man? I don't have a daughter, but if I did, you can be damn sure I'd be fighting for her to have career and life opportunities equal to those offered to boys. The idea that women had to be enticed out of the home with feminist lies is utterly ludicrous. (Will you be telling me next that the poor should be happy in servitude and that White supremacy is the natural order...)

Consider current events in Afghanistan and Iran, and then tell me that feminism is a lie and a delusion.
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ScotL wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:37 pm And is the suggestion here that the “they” is a secret cabal of Forbes 500 members that meets together at a super secret locale known only to a few every three months to coordinate the future of society? And somehow everyone who believe this is in the know whereas the rest of us aren’t privy to such secret information? And the people who clean the rooms and cook the food at this super secret locale wouldn’t let the secret out? Or are they all killed to maintain the secrecy. Or, do these all powerful leaders do all the cooking, cleaning, maintaining, traveling, washing, bill paying and gardening themselves. Yeah, that must be it.

This is ludicrous. No offense. But this is not a coordinated effort maintained by a secret society to rule over you.
Are you sure about that?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_meeting
OK, it's not secret, but it doesn't have to be.
Keep on skirting,

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