Guys in Skirts Fundraiser

General discussion of skirt and kilt-based fashion for men, and stuff that goes with skirts and kilts.
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Hey Moon,

I appreciate your comments on the quirks of our community and the let boys be boys. The problem is, the physical abuse suffered in domestic abuse is usually men assaulting others. And multiple lines of evidence bear this out. The lack of numbers for emotional abuse is well noted but goes both ways. The emotional abuse data is not captured for either gender. You’re a more than reasonable man so please don’t take this as me attacking you in any way. I have the utmost respect for you.
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This is my last and final point. When women pen an article saying "men should die" or other mean sentiments, the world politely turns their head. If the same article were written about women, the author would be attacked, driven out of their job, and possibly found guilty of some hate crime. Perhaps I'm overstating what would happen - but there's a sense that men are disposable/disgusting/yucky, and that has shaped my entire worldview since childhood. That pales in comparison to real, physical abuse - I get that. I'm perhaps a bit too sensitive - and I generally don't complain about my sorry lot in life (except here at times :D). Heck, I have a ton of privilege and I'm grateful.

What I'd like to see is a "kindness project". One where we don't try to find a side to be on - gender/sex/politics/religion - but just be nice to one another. We advocate for no violence. No abuse. No name calling. Not asking for restrictions of speech - just asking others to choose their words and not use ones that would be hurtful*. No statistics - they can be twisted. The only "religious" aspect I'd interject is to turn the other cheek. We get into these tit for tat's and no one is "big enough" to pause, step away from the fray.

On the topic of fundraisers - I think "men wear a skirt" type fundraisers are quite rare. They usually get local news because they are so transgressive. There's that yearly baseball game I posted about that takes place in the US. But none of these things - while letting men "express themselves" change a thing. It's a one-off, perhaps a random guy will find that skirts are hella comfy, and continue to wear them. But in general I don't think these events move the needle much. If they did, you'd see guys starting to wear skirts after these events take place. I also bristle at the thought of using a fundraiser to promote MIS as it seems selfish.
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ScotL wrote:
Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:07 pm
Pelmut, you completely missed the point of my reply.

But as reality still isn’t on your side let me ask you this, what skirt have you worn recently? Have you taken part in any skirt wearing fundraisers?
To answer in reverse order:

No, I can't see why I need to raise funds or what I am supposed to be raising them for.

Today: Heavy denim work skirt because I may have to do some soldering and don't want to ruin delicate material.
Thursday evening: Black & red 'gipsy' skirt with formal black top for an evening event.
Thursday daytime:  Grey 'A' line skirt.
Wednesday: Grey 'A' line skirt.
Tuesday:  Denim work skirt (unblocking drains).
Monday:  Grey 'A' line skirt with black & white cardigan.
Sunday:  Burgundy knitted dress with 'Norwegian folk pattern' cardigan.
Saturday:  Ill in bed all day (due to bad reaction to'flu injection).
Friday:  Blue & white layered skirt with matching sparkly blue top.
Can't remember any further back than that...
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CCNC wrote:
Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:41 pm
You know guys, I started this post because it was about guys wearing skirts…..in a smaller southern town in the the US. 20 plus guys participated in the event.
This is great news, and the fact that it went over well for both the participants and the community is very encouraging. Bravo.
Somehow all this got lost in the weeds based on most of the moments. That’s a bit disappointing as a new member here. Just saying
Many of us here are on the older side of things and tend to take wide contexts into consideration, and some of us have been dealt raw deals by the legal system. Hence our sometimes seeming to be a bit on the negative side. In the vast majority of places in the US women do not need the "help" they proclaim they do; they do just fine, and have a significant advantage over men in the legal system; the pendulum has swung too far already and shows no sign of slowing, either.
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CCNC wrote:
Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:41 pm
You know guys, I started this post because it was about guys wearing skirts…..in a smaller southern town in the the US. 20 plus guys participated in the event. Everyone that was involved simply wore a skirt. Not over the top, not drag, not in a parody. The overall reaction from people was really great. No negative crappy comments, no bad situations. And just about to a every guy that did it had a “hey, skirts are comfortable and kinda cool moment.”. Now, do I think they all will convert to skirts, no. But it did help the cause this forum supports. Somehow all this got lost in the weeds based on most of the moments. That’s a bit disappointing as a new member here. Just saying
Hey CCNC,

I want to apologize to you about your thread veering off the topic of Men In Skirts (MIS). I think your original post is spot on for what I think this cafe is for. Discussing men wearing skirts and how to make it easier for others who are interested in wearing skirts, feel comfortable wearing a skirt publicly as a man.

In my job, I see the horrors of what we do to each other. It’s something I’m passionate about as I’ve unfortunately had to learn more than I ever wanted to about it from seeing it almost daily. So I apologize for any role I played in this.

But it’s not something that this cafe should talk about. There are many other forums where this should be discussed.

I’m gonna float an idea and it’s something I did here and think it could work. When we veer off on these tangents, specifically asking the poster who is veering “so what skirt did you most recently wear” could be a subtle hint to cease discussion of the off topic.

It won’t always work as I tried to bring the discussion back to your original post of fundraising in skirts but that wasn’t received in the manner it was intended.

So for this I appreciate Coder’s comments of how we should just be nicer to everyone. And if there is some nut job screaming to kill all (fill in the blank), wouldn’t it be funny if we just straight up asked them “what skirt did you recently wear?” To all those who already hit reply to lambaste me on the stupidity of the last part please realize this is intended to be poignant humor. Even though it would be awesome to do
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Coder wrote:
Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:52 pm


What I'd like to see is a "kindness project". One where we don't try to find a side to be on - gender/sex/politics/religion - but just be nice to one another. We advocate for no violence. No abuse. No name calling. Not asking for restrictions of speech - just asking others to choose their words and not use ones that would be hurtful*. No statistics - they can be twisted. The only "religious" aspect I'd interject is to turn the other cheek. We get into these tit for tat's and no one is "big enough" to pause, step away from the fray.

What coder said is a very valid point. My only suggestion would be to take a second to READ your response before you push the send button, and maybe just walking away and not making any argument as you smile at them, would probably be a better solution
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Scott, your point about saying something to indicate that the conversation has got far off course and needs redirection brought back a memory. In my youth, in such a situation, I used to say, "I had a fried egg for breakfast." Code for, "Let's get back to the subject."
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Wait a minute, kindness, killing people, eggs for breakfast...?

What are we talking about? I've lost something somewhere.... :mrgreen:

I think my brain might need a good defragmenting, and I've often suspected it's running on Windows.
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moonshadow wrote:
Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:17 am
I think my brain might need a good defragmenting, and I've often suspected it's running on Windows.
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Moon, the idea is to get the thread back on track away from domestic violence issues.

So, "I had a fried egg for breakfast." Literally, the other day.
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I had two fried eggs this morning, biscuits, homemade bacon gravy, bacon, and corned beef hash.
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Two cups of coffee.
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Oh, I do love a well developed sense of humour.
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All this fried egg eating is pointless unless you did it in a skirt at a fundraiser. And if we didn't want to focus on violence, we can have a fundraiser for raising awareness of guys being able to wear skirts whenever they want wherever they want.
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