Is this the reason?

General discussion of skirt and kilt-based fashion for men, and stuff that goes with skirts and kilts.
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Interestingly the biggest phenomenon in hair removal has been pubic, first for women, but now for men too. Manscape seem to be the biggest company in the media, advertising that as your girlfriend does it, you should too.

This has stemmed from the porn industry, where it affords a better view of the action and has now become mainstream. Not sure why, maybe porn is just so much more accessible, but I suppose at least there is some kind of equality being shown (or shorn).

As for legs, I prefer a woman with shaved legs in sheer stockings, but it would never become a deal breaker.
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mishawakaskirt wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 7:54 pm
If I "had to" shave my legs or wear tights or pantyhose to "get to" wear a skirt. I wouldn't Wear a skirt.
I probably would. I've said that I would before. But I don't think that is what is holding us back.

Everything is getting more casual. Women rarely if ever wear pantyhose. I think many consider skirts and dresses formal wear, thus part of the drop in their wearing them.
mishawakaskirt wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 7:54 pm
I have never figured out the whole female, leg and arm pit shaving deal anyways.
I don't find it a turn off. Or turn on.
It emphasizes the softer, less hairy, natural differences women have compared to men. It also emphasizes youth, as children and young adults are less hairy. Women try to emphasize youth in their dress, while men try for maturity. Generally speaking...
mishawakaskirt wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 7:54 pm
I let my wife wear and dress comfortably as she seems necessary.

I have never told her what to wear. Or if and when personal grooming might be needed.

I wish she would extend me the same freedom.
Women aren't really required to wear pantyhose or makeup in most situations today. My wife only brings out those things for formal occasions, of the sort that a man would be expected to wear a suit and tie. And even then, most women just skip the hose.
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When I was growing up our gym shorts in school were really short and we wore short cut-off jean shorts in the summer (recycling those jeans that we wore the knees out of too many times!) and it was pretty normal for men to show their thighs and lower legs, hairy or not. I never think anything of it, but I know my (adult) kids age group and after it seems like the men's shorts got longer and longer and it became unusual/uncomfortable for men to show anything from the knees up. Seems like things have swung the other way a little lately. I noticed that I show less thigh in most skirts than I would in shorts, because I keep the length long enough to avoid exposing other bits. The comfort is worth it. :D

I've shaved my legs maybe a few times in my life, mainly when I did a lot of cycling and roller blading...road rash + leg hair is not a pleasant combination. I know a lot of swimmers/cyclists who get rid of body hair for practical reasons like that. The only other groups of men I personally know who shave/trim "all over" are among my nudist friends, it's seen as pretty normal in those circles. These days I just do whatever is practical and comfortable. I live in a place that's hot and humid most of the year, so I shave/trim my underarms and groin and give the chest hair a good trimming if it gets too thick...any place that accumulates sweat and turns into a man-swamp in the humidity. :shock:

I know a lot of women get lax in the cold weather and feel social pressure to partake in leg / bikini grooming in the warm weather, but I don't find it scandalous if they don't. What someone does with their body isn't my concern, only theirs.
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Jim wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 11:44 am
I expect there are a LOT more women who don't shave their legs than men who wear skirts in the US.
Safe bet I think Jim.
However, I wonder how many more men break the social taboos by wearing forbidden things beneath the drab suit or workman coveralls.
That is, in a manner that wild horses would not drag them into wearing a skirt etc openly.
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Well... I don't know what to say. It's not illegal
Absolutely Moon but just because a politician says it is OK doesn't mean the rest of the world/society agrees. I'd also agree with you on the points of one life and fighting for the freedoms to do whatever. I have said the same things myself.
Man, I never thought you of all people could possibly be stuck for words.
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STEVIE wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 5:04 am
Man, I never thought you of all people could possibly be stuck for words.
It's so rare that many people make a wish when it happens... :wink: :lol:
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The ridiculous social programming goes both ways. My Lady is OCD about shaving every day no matter the time of year or whether it’s “pants season” or not. She would never leave the house without makeup. It’s her prerogative and I respect that, but it’s the same trained social rules mentality that prevents her from accepting a guy wearing a skirt. Oddly, while I wear only kilts publicly at this time with unshaven legs, I suspect that when/if I start wearing skirts she would say I should shave my legs.
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Offkilter69 wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 1:06 pm
The ridiculous social programming goes both ways. <snip> but it’s the same trained
social rules mentality that prevents her from accepting a guy wearing a skirt
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Oddly, while I wear only kilts publicly at this time with unshaven legs, I suspect that
when/if I start wearing skirts she would say I should shave my legs.
(The underlined parts are my emphasis, not the original writers, as to the crux of why
many women don't want 'their men' to wear skirts. Female herd mentality. )

IF she tells you that bit of information, it would be coming from her training on "Style".
Nothing wrong with that but, I'ld question her as to WHY. She could be using her sense
of "Style" and projecting it onto you.

Question/Suggestion :arrow:
Do you wear denim shorts :?:
If you do, try switching out for a short 'look-a-like' denim skirt.
She may never notice the difference until you get back home.

Just my $.02 worth :D

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Uncle Al wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 1:51 pm
Offkilter69 wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 1:06 pm
...while I wear only kilts publicly at this time ...
...
Question/Suggestion :arrow:
Do you wear denim shorts :?:
If you do, try switching out for a short 'look-a-like' denim skirt.
She may never notice the difference until you get back home.
...
If you wear utility kilts or other kilts in a plain color (like black or khaki) you could also look for skirts in similar colors and fabrics. If they aren't too close fitting and don't have obvious girly features (rhinestones, embroidery, etc.) you probably won't get too much pushback. That's the route I took. Though, I wore them around her, and didn't try to sneak out in them... I feel like that could blow up in your face.
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Wearing utility kilts often has been my approach for breaking in unisex type skirt-wearing, such as denim or cargo skirts. I recently bought a Skirtcraft “unisex” skirt that I will likely introduce first- since hey, it’s “for men too”, as weak as that may be as a justification. I also have Helicon Tex tactical skirts and a denim skirt that would be next. I agree- no public wearing until she’s on board with them. I think I will need her to be in my company anyway when the time comes for confidence sake.
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Offkilter69 wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 3:32 pm
I agree- no public wearing until she’s on board with them. I think I will need her to be in my company anyway when the time comes for confidence sake.
In that case do not try subterfuge or you are likely to be the one to lose out.
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Uncle Al wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 1:51 pm
The underlined parts are my emphasis, not the original writers, as to the crux of why
many women don't want 'their men' to wear skirts. Female herd mentality. )
I don't think it's so much "female herd mentality" but simply that in western culture "off the peg" [non-kilt] skirts are associated with femininity.

Women want a "man" not sissy "soy boy". I'm not saying I agree with this rhetoric , but I am saying that's the way it seems to be save for rare exceptions...

The way I see it, there are only two possible solutions for this:

A) Defeminize the skirt

B) Destigmatize femininity.

I realize most members vote for (A), but I think greater [mens] freedom would be achieved with (B).
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moonshadow wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:15 pm
A) Defeminize the skirt

B) Destigmatize femininity.

I realize most members vote for (A), but I think greater [mens] freedom would be achieved with (B).
I think both are good solutions - do we have to pick one? How do we go about either?

I suppose “A” is readily solved by only wearing “masculine” skirts, and in masculine contexts - eschewing any other womanly feature. But that still, as you point out, limits us to one accepted expression.

I honestly don’t know how “we” go about making femininity OK. Some here would say femininity is appreciated in a different way than masculinity… and while that’s true it doesn’t cut both ways - women who adopt men’s ways are lauded - men who adopt women’s ways are decrided. How do you change that?
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moonshadow wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 7:15 pm

The way I see it, there are only two possible solutions for this:

A) Defeminize the skirt

B) Destigmatize femininity.

I realize most members vote for (A), but I think greater [men's] freedom would be achieved with (B).
(A) may help us guys who like skirts, but (B) is what is important.
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Jim wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 12:11 am
(A) may help us guys who like skirts, but (B) is what is important.
Well put, Sir!

Bluntly, one cannot exist without the other, and both are vital to the survival of the species as it's evolved. Diminish one, and the the other is equally as diminished. Eventually that turns into chaos.

I prize women's opinions of things I am getting set to do -- they give me balance, and if my opinions mesh well with theirs, then I feel I am treading on solid ground. Normally, this level of support typically comes from the deepest layer of the "inner circle" -- the Significant Other -- but occasionally it has to come from friends, as is the case with me, as I seem to be unable to locate, never-mind secure, a Significant Other.

My sailing buddy's SO, commenting today on how I'm handling the on-pad explosion of what I was hoping would be "One last grand romance before I kick off this miserable rock." was instructive; she said I seemed to be "handling it well" -- and she's a practising psychologist, mind, and I never hesitate to hide thoughts from her because she usually manages to ferret them out one way or another.

The short point of this is that both views are vital to us, and we diminish or devalue them at our peril.
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Be careful not to conflate the stereotypically feminine with women. Just as we do not want masculine stereotypes conflated with men. There is a good bit of overlap, but not a one to one equivalency.
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