Does wearing a mask make it easier?

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Bob; please double check the source of your information -- they sound suspiciously like some of the conspiracy theory and denier sites that proclaim facts, but have not backed them up with valid evidence. I've lost two close, nearby, Friends to Covid -- so it was real to them, and me. The millions that have been seriously ill or died well in excess of the normal "background" deaths in a year is evidence that something is killing more of us than normal. Masks may not be a total solution, but they clearly help reduce contagion -- please consider this minor inconvenience as respect to others regardless of your current personal doubts. And, do check your source data carefully, you may be surprised.
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Andy_G wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:11 am
Curious in the view of the group - how does wearing a mask change being out in a skirt? Is the small cloak of anonymity an advantage?
I think: for me neither easier, neither more difficult.

People in our town know me without regard to my wearing the mask. (There is living about 2100 inhabitants in our town, about 4000 - 5000 inhabitants together with neighbo(u)ring villages.) Anonymity is impossible under these conditions. Especially if I wrote an article about it and published it in the local town magazine (http://mestonovyknin.cz/assets/File.ash ... menty=7577 - page 20 "Koupil jsem si kilt" = "I bought a kilt"; extended copy of this article is placed in my personal blog here: https://miloshlavka.wordpress.com/2020/ ... m-si-kilt/ ; both in the Czech language, of course, but on-line translators can provide at least some information about its content), where I explained why I do it and where it is possible to buy kilts or something similar (some people had asked me about that).

Briefly: it does not matter.
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Faldaguy wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:10 am
Bob; please double check the source of your information -- they sound suspiciously like some of the conspiracy theory and denier sites that proclaim facts, but have not backed them up with valid evidence. I've lost two close, nearby, Friends to Covid -- so it was real to them, and me. The millions that have been seriously ill or died well in excess of the normal "background" deaths in a year is evidence that something is killing more of us than normal. Masks may not be a total solution, but they clearly help reduce contagion -- please consider this minor inconvenience as respect to others regardless of your current personal doubts. And, do check your source data carefully, you may be surprised.
I am sorry for the loss of your friends. Did they die OF covid or WITH covid? In Colorado five recent deaths were reported as from covid, but the chief medical examiner says two of them, who had previously tested "positive" actually died of gunshot wounds. It is not seriously arguable that the figures have been heavily doctored. There is much more going on than meets the casual eye.

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No double checking of the information source as requested. I’m not in the least surprised.
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BobM, regarding the cause of death being cited as from corona - does that mean that virtually every country on earth is in collusion in listing corona as the case of death when it isn't or is only a partial reason? There have been far too many, well over a million worldwide so far, for the virus not to be a serious, deadly pandemic much as you try to downplay it. At the moment the pandemic is too new for there to be many demonstrably true "facts" about the pandemic, source, methods of dissemination, effectiveness of masks, their types and the effectiveness of vaccines. So don't quote any current "facts" yet, wait a week or a month or so and the "facts" will likely have changed due to subsequent discoveries. I work in shop floor retailing and virtually every customer I meet dislikes wearing a mask but they do so because they are unselfish and want to do the best they can to shorten the effects of the pandemic. I still say that you are attempting to defend the indefensible. More than a bit like Trump declaring widespread election fraud when there's no evidence of it. Touche.
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As for covid fears, I'm personally more concerned with frivolous testing. I understand there is a good chance for false positives.

If I feel sick enough, I'll submit to a test, but I'm not just going to test "for the hell of it". If I'm feeling fine and get a [false] positive, that's it, I'm out of work for a fortnight, possibly without pay. Not only that, but so is Amber, and she definitely doesn't get paid.

No thank you, this ultra cold hearted capitalist system I live in commands that I report to work under any circumstances. Frankly I'll be glad if/when we ever get back to the good old days of being allowed to work with the sniffles.
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There has been so much false information reported as real that I do not know who to believe. I have several Doctors and each one says something different. So what are we to believe???
Do we believe the politicians or the real doctors or the news papers and TV???? Me I will wait to see what happens and try to stay well only going out when absolutely necessary and then with a mask. As I said before I have breathing problems and a mask makes them worse so I stay home and do not go anywhere that would require a mask unless it is required...
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Fred in Skirts wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:06 pm
There has been so much false information reported as real that I do not know who to believe. I have several Doctors and each one says something different. So what are we to believe???
Do we believe the politicians or the real doctors or the news papers and TV???? Me I will wait to see what happens and try to stay well only going out when absolutely necessary and then with a mask. As I said before I have breathing problems and a mask makes them worse so I stay home and do not go anywhere that would require a mask unless it is required...
Yeah, that's the boat I'm in too. This whole pandemic and the authority's handling of it has been nothing short of a fuster-cluck.

I wear the mask when I am expected to, "just in case". I don't want to take a chance and possibly infect someone unknowingly. Hopefully this will be over soon and conspiracy theories can go back to what they were in the good old days.... I miss the tin foil hats, sneering at contrails, and I REALLY miss the days when it was "us" (the people) against "them" (the ruling elite)...

Now thanks to the brainwashing of the masses via the media, the ruling elite have the people bickering now more than ever.... while they laugh all the way to the bank.

Guilty confession.... I admit to being a little disappointed that covid hasn't wiped out two thirds of the nation's elected officials... We lost some great people this year... sadly, nobody in politics. :blue:
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I wear a mask anywhere I go when I interact with other people because it’s safe, and it minimises the risk of transmission. I’d rather not wear a mask, but having spent two weeks in Spain in September wearing a mask outside as well as inside, I’m quite used to it. I don’t feel as if my liberties are being infringed. That’s for morons. This is a mask, not a pair of handcuffs.If, at the end of this all, the science proves that masks were ineffective, then my personal sacrifice has hardly been measurable. It’s a mask. I have a very comfortable one, bought for £20 from an Austrian company - but the £5 linen one is far better in hot temperatures. Sacrifice? Not financially.

I will wear a mask outdoors when I am in a shopping area or in a shopping centre (You Americans may refer to these as malls). Again, it’s all about making sure that I do not transmit the virus to anybody else whether it be covid or flu. It’s hardly an infringement on my liberties. If somebody thinks that wearing a mask is a serious infringement on one’s liberties, then they are either a moron, or should start driving on the wrong side of the road to demonstrate their personal liberty.
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by BobM » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:52 am

Faldaguy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:10 pm
Bob; please double check the source of your information -- they sound suspiciously like some of the conspiracy theory and denier sites that proclaim facts, but have not backed them up with valid evidence. I've lost two close, nearby, Friends to Covid -- so it was real to them, and me...

I am sorry for the loss of your friends. Did they die OF covid or WITH covid? In Colorado five recent deaths were reported as from covid, but the chief medical examiner says two of them, who had previously tested "positive" actually died of gunshot wounds. It is not seriously arguable that the figures have been heavily doctored. There is much more going on than meets the casual eye.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... sance.html
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One great thing about the Cafe is that there is robust fact checking and questioning.
From reading this thread; masks will make it easier as there is so much agro about mask wearing ....... Forget about the skirt.
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by denimini » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:46 pm

One great thing about the Cafe is that there is robust fact checking and questioning.
From reading this thread; masks will make it easier as there is so much agro about mask wearing ....... Forget about the skirt.
"Forget about the skirt"??? :oops: That might be a step too far, but I'd rally around making genital exposure legal before a naked face during a respiratory pandemic! :P Elevate our morality a bit. Maybe a campaign for Jim! :D
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Forget about the skirt ..... ... Being an issue :)
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Faldaguy wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:12 am
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President Obama secretly signaled solidarity to African leaders at the White House using a Muslim hand gesture known as the ‘Shahada.’ – FALSE
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It must be false - because it's a nonsense in principle. "Shahada" isn't "a Muslim hand gesture", but the basic Muslim creed. :)

By this I conclude this my post - because in the rules we are instructed to avoid discussions about religion, unless they relate to the wearing skirts, etc., and I don't want to be the cause of the continuation of this flamewar. Let us return, please, to the original subject of this thread - influence of wearing masks (or muzzles, if we want to use this word :) ) on wearing skirts etc. - if we still have something to say on the topic. Thanks.
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A mask can afford some measure of anonymity as I have been hailed by friends who I have known for a long time only to not recognise them at first with a mask on. So those that don't know us as well probably wouldn't recognise you at first since they are not used to seeing you in a mask.
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