Aggressive women

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Re: Aggressive women

Postby weeladdie18 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:57 pm

During the warm summer shorts were a popular style of attire with both the male and female gender.
I wore summer skirts to protect my upper legs from the heat of the sun.
It is reasonable to assume that this would provide some curiosity from the fashion conscious female.
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Re: Aggressive women

Postby Taj » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:35 pm

A perspective I didn't notice as I read the thread; maybe some women are being welcoming when they comment on our skirted appearance. Women tend to bond with each other in sort of a girls club. I see it a lot. The doors to the club are not completely latched against men who are nonthreatening, and out numbered, in environments that tend towards the feminine. My yoga classes are a good example, wherein I've been accepted around and even included in conversations that are typically girl talk and female health issues. It could feel uncomfortable for some men to be taken in as one of the girls, but I think it happens sometimes.
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Re: Aggressive women

Postby weeladdie18 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:47 am

I would agree in my experience it is possible for a male to be accepted into a female group social
activity while still dressing in male clothes and behaving like a gentleman.

If the male dresses in a skirt this would present a certain degree of female curiousity .
Perhaps this is why I am interested in the skirt becoming an acceptable male fashion.
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Re: Aggressive women

Postby Brad » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:05 pm

Taj wrote:A perspective I didn't notice as I read the thread; maybe some women are being welcoming when they comment on our skirted appearance. Women tend to bond with each other in sort of a girls club. I see it a lot. The doors to the club are not completely latched against men who are nonthreatening, and out numbered, in environments that tend towards the feminine. My yoga classes are a good example, wherein I've been accepted around and even included in conversations that are typically girl talk and female health issues. It could feel uncomfortable for some men to be taken in as one of the girls, but I think it happens sometimes.


Taj makes an excellent point. I've often been invited to girl talk conversations because of my personal understanding of their experiences. When women I know talk about heels that hurt or pantyhose that slip down, I can be part of the conversation. I'm one of the girls and they feel comfortable with me.
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Re: Aggressive women

Postby Caultron » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:49 pm

One time I was out hiking with my club and the subject turned to toenails. Care, necessity of trimming before a hike, fungus problems, and so forth. Ugh. But then I realized how this showed what a close friendly group we were; close enough to talk unabashedly about a gross topic like toenails.

And I suspect the same is true of any other usually-forbidden topic, girl talk or other. With mutual confidence and the proper icebreaker, almost any topic becomes acceptable.

I'd still steer away from, " Does this dress make me look fat?" though.
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Re: Aggressive women

Postby Pdxfashionpioneer » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:06 am

I too have noticed that "Women's Club" phenomenon and felt like my wearing a skirt or dress gave me a day pass to the club.

As to how to take remarks from women, I haven't received any insults disguised as compliments. Quite the contrary, I have a mini-following at the superstore I frequent of shop clerks who watch for me to see what I'm wearing. One of them is particularly interested in my jewelry. Maybe one or two of the pieces I inherited from my late mother would qualify as fine jewelry, the rest is costume jewelry. No matter, she likes it.

But the real telling remark came from a divorcee who said she never spoke to men she met at bars (where we met) but made an exception for me because she felt I was safe (undoubtedly because I was in a dress!).
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Re: Aggressive women

Postby Daryl » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:51 pm

weeladdie18 wrote:
Daryl wrote:
partlyscot wrote:I particularly remember one conversation where the lady happened to be wearing the exact same skirt, and she said that I was well ahead of the curve, and couldn't understand why more men didn't wear them.


To which I might have responded that I couldn't understand why more women didn't wear them, too. Skirt-wearing by women definitely increased a little where I worked after I started wearing skirts to work all the time. It's almost as if the option became more real even for women, with just one trailblazer. Until then, I don't think any of the women where I worked ever wore skirts except on formal occasions.

I feel this idea of "Being a trail blazer " may or may not influence others in a small working community
to dress in a style which produces a uniformity in the way a community chooses to dress.
A simple example....If a team of male and female staff were lead by a man in trousers...would all
the team eventually voluntarily turn to wearing trousers ?
If a new leader of the team was a female who wore skirts , would all the team including the males ,
turn to wearing skirts ?

If a man goes to church with a group of females in skirt suits , should he wear a skirt as a form
of compatability in a community, or should he show his male gender by wearing trousers ?


Good questions but since I have trouble with both "should" and "gender" I might be wise to avoid commenting too much...

Groups still exist within larger social structures. And groups view their "leaders" with varying degrees of confidence. Confidence will be affected negatively if a group perceives its leader as leading them astray with respect to the larger social structure of their company, or city, or whatever. A woman who is a leader will probably influence other women in the group she leads if she wears a skirt more often. The male leader, however, may simply lose status if he dresses weirdly for his sex, according to the norms of the larger social structure.
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Re: Aggressive women

Postby Pdxfashionpioneer » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:39 am

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The male leader, however, may simply lose status if he dresses weirdly for his sex, according to the norms of the larger social structure.


This may be overthinking the issue. I've found that people find me more approachable when I'm in a dress as opposed to pants because I'm more genuine and therefore at ease. If a male group leader, including a work group leader, can wear a skirt or dress to work comfortably and confidently and is available to his people, I believe he will be more effective overall.

Mark, you certainly have experience with this. Would you please help us out with this question?
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Re: Aggressive women

Postby Daryl » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:12 am

Pdxfashionpioneer wrote:Daryl
The male leader, however, may simply lose status if he dresses weirdly for his sex, according to the norms of the larger social structure.


This may be overthinking the issue. I've found that people find me more approachable when I'm in a dress as opposed to pants because I'm more genuine and therefore at ease. If a male group leader, including a work group leader, can wear a skirt or dress to work comfortably and confidently and is available to his people, I believe he will be more effective overall.

Mark, you certainly have experience with this. Would you please help us out with this question?


Well, we can't really use ourselves to affirm anything larger than what is possible by virtue of our own experiences. Possible and likely are quite different things. Elon Musk took a toke and the sky fell down. That is possible too.
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