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What if We did the same to Them?
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Keep on skirting,
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Re: What if We did the same to Them?
Daryl you are entitled to your beliefs but I find your references offensive
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Blast! FSM. I really should have seen that coming. (facepalm)Daryl wrote:Personally, even if I were touched by His noodly appendage every time I put on a skirt, I'd still have to wonder what He was trying to tell me.
(note: I capitalise the pronoun not for emphasis but for formality, and use the male gender only because it's obvious since FSM is almost always depicted with meatballs)
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I had to look up FSM.crfriend wrote:Blast! FSM. I really should have seen that coming. (facepalm)Daryl wrote:Personally, even if I were touched by His noodly appendage every time I put on a skirt, I'd still have to wonder what He was trying to tell me.
(note: I capitalise the pronoun not for emphasis but for formality, and use the male gender only because it's obvious since FSM is almost always depicted with meatballs)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
Hilarious - great stuff! Anyone who can't laugh at that is taking themselves too seriously.
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Aren't you glad you hang out here from time to time?Stevie D wrote:I had to look up FSM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
Hilarious - great stuff! Anyone who can't laugh at that is taking themselves too seriously.
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Did you thank your Mum and wear a skirt in gratitude?moonshadow wrote:I didn't attempt the "why" exercise with Mom, but a about a year or so ago, we did explore the issue, and she admitted to me "I can not find any logical reason for you not to do this, and I've tried!"
Ah! Someone who has a video or audio recording of what God said! His recordings should make him richer than everyone else combined! As an active Christian I would have responded that every man in the Bible (Hebrew and Christian scriptures) wore skirts or dresses, and not a single one of them wore trousers, so why would God tell us that we're not supposed to wear skirts? The Romans conquered the known world wearing micro-minis (a.k.a. togas) and no underwear, and the Greeks did a similar thing, also wearing minis (a.k.a. fustanellas).They didn't have to give up their outfits when they became Christian.moonshadow wrote:I have played the "why" card with a few others, the first time was actually the very first co-worker who spotted the photo on facebook. A very fundamental Christian man.
"You're not supposed to wear skirts"
"Says who?"
"God"
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Deuteronomy 22:5 is the usually quoted verse against men wearing skirts, but my learnèd Jewish friends have confirmed that the context shows it had nothing to do with men wearing skirts (they already did every day). The same text was used against women wearing trousers in the 40s, 50s and even 60s, but that's conveniently forgotten these days.Daryl wrote: That's the easy one. Leviticus 18:22, the supposed commandment-like teaching against male homosexuality. Of course it doesn't refer to skirts but it is the underpinning of fundamentalist understanding of sex roles and challenging gendered social norms like dress is in the simple fundamentalist mind just the thin end of the same wedge. Essentially, being like a woman in any way is just wrong, for men.
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Daryl,
Great reference! I hadn't heard of the FSM. What an excellent creation! I chuckled at the imagined image of Pastafarians arguing with some loony Creationists.
Great reference! I hadn't heard of the FSM. What an excellent creation! I chuckled at the imagined image of Pastafarians arguing with some loony Creationists.
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Thread drift.
Back on topic, I agree with the "turn the argument around" approach. It's best done politely though, and with respect to the other party. Polite but firm. Yes, the argument is likely to founder on some societal rocks, but pointing out the inherent flaws in such dead end thinking can do no harm. The other party may be resolute in her thinking, but any bystanders may start to see sense.
Back on topic, I agree with the "turn the argument around" approach. It's best done politely though, and with respect to the other party. Polite but firm. Yes, the argument is likely to founder on some societal rocks, but pointing out the inherent flaws in such dead end thinking can do no harm. The other party may be resolute in her thinking, but any bystanders may start to see sense.
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A man actually said that to me once. I replied "this one does" and kept walking. On reflection, asking 'why' would have been a better response; at least it would have made him think.crfriend wrote:"men don't wear skirts",
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Save your breath. The problem with deities -- if they even exist -- is that they don't listen. So, "calling out" a god is a waste of time and energy.moonshadow wrote:See... doesn't look like she has a problem with it...moonshadow wrote:God... the ball's in your court... I'm waiting... In fact. I'm wearing my mouseworks skirt now. Let see it!
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You know the parallel between our situation with respect to clothing freedom and FSM really struck me. Both our skirting and FSM stand in defiance of a norm that is a reification of an idea. FSM points out that the idea is still just an idea, and we find ourselves needing to point out that "skirts are not for men" is just an idea, too. Reification lends an idea more force -- "it's not just an idea; it's a fact". This hard wall is the one we seem to come up against over and over.Ray wrote:Daryl,
Great reference! I hadn't heard of the FSM. What an excellent creation! I chuckled at the imagined image of Pastafarians arguing with some loony Creationists.
Daryl...
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Duly noted.oldsalt1 wrote:Daryl you are entitled to your beliefs but I find your references offensive
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Man, this is why I like to get out of my echochamber every so often. Learn something new every day.skirts4me wrote:Deuteronomy 22:5 is the usually quoted verse against men wearing skirts, but my learnèd Jewish friends have confirmed that the context shows it had nothing to do with men wearing skirts (they already did every day). The same text was used against women wearing trousers in the 40s, 50s and even 60s, but that's conveniently forgotten these days.Daryl wrote: That's the easy one. Leviticus 18:22, the supposed commandment-like teaching against male homosexuality. Of course it doesn't refer to skirts but it is the underpinning of fundamentalist understanding of sex roles and challenging gendered social norms like dress is in the simple fundamentalist mind just the thin end of the same wedge. Essentially, being like a woman in any way is just wrong, for men.
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How could any rational person be offended by the Flying Spaghetti Monster? The mind boggles.oldsalt1 wrote:Daryl you are entitled to your beliefs but I find your references offensive
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