International Men Can Wear Dresses Day

[mr seamstress]

You really would need a dedicated non profit or organization to sell such a message and do research on the negative impacts on boys/men growing up this society. Not to be cynical... but I'm just going to say I don't think anyone cares.

I put the idea of men wearing dresses or skirts for International Men Wear Dresses Day to a local professor who is a part of a diversity program. The idea is simple to used it as suicide prevention by having male students wearing a dress or skirt to represent how everyone is different and how society hates these males that are different. I also mention in having female students in wearing matching attire to match males students. He agree to put this on his agenda to get this approve.
Here in America these diversity programs are under attack and being written off as no longer necessary. By this I hope the professor, he will be able use it showing how important these diversity programs are. Hoping that this diversity programs will draw news coverage about MIS, suicide prevention and how important diversity program is.
The professor I talk to is also a counselor, who also tries to prevent suicide among its students.

[Barleymower]

Is it telling about societies attitude to men that high levels of male suicide is ignored?

[crfriend]

Here in America these diversity programs are under attack and being written off as no longer necessary. By this I hope the professor, he will be able use it showing how important these diversity programs are. Hoping that this diversity programs will draw news coverage about MIS, suicide prevention and how important diversity program is.
The professor I talk to is also a counselor, who also tries to prevent suicide among its students.

Good for him, but the reason that "Diversity Programmes" are reviled in the USA is the simple fact that they completely and sometimes explicitly exclude Caucasian men from their agendas. There will not be true "Diversity", nor real peace, until everyone is welcome at the table.

Too, it's worth recalling that "hate" takes several forms, and the term itself is frequently used incorrectly. First and foremost is the hatred generated when someone is wronged; this is by far and away the strongest type and is entirely personal and is one of the ways that karma works the way it does. The sort of "hate" that "Diversity Programmes" try to "cure" is a general distaste for those who are not like us (us, of course, being massively variable); this is not pure hatred at all, but rather discomfort -- and can be cured by exposure. Then we get the sort of hatred that the psychotic and the violent get -- and that's not well understood at all, and desperately needs to be. I don't know if any serious research is being done on that front, but I'd like to see more "mass shooters" in front of the psychologists than simply being shot dead by the cops in the heat of the moment. Something's driving these, and we need to get to the bottom of it.

On karma. I've been criminally wronged several times in my life and career, but have each time considered things and opted for no direct action -- I have too much to lose. Sooner or later, the clowns involved will wrong somebody who doesn't have a lot to lose and get the cr@p kicked out them or worse. Sure, I track those who have wronged me, mainly so there's no interaction -- especially in employment -- and laugh like mad when they do "get what's coming to 'em". And I've seen in action quite a few times.

It's vastly more complex than "black and white" (and I'm not using that in a "racist" way).

[mr seamstress]

Good for him, but the reason that "Diversity Programmes" are reviled in the USA is the simple fact that they completely and sometimes explicitly exclude Caucasian men from their agendas. There will not be true "Diversity", nor real peace, until [/i]everyone[/i] is welcome at the table.

Too, it's worth recalling that "hate" takes several forms, and the term itself is frequently used incorrectly. First and foremost is the hatred generated when someone is wronged; this is by far and away the strongest type and is entirely personal and is one of the ways that karma works the way it does. The sort of "hate" that "Diversity Programmes" try to "cure" is a general distaste for those who are not like us (us, of course, being massively variable); this is not pure hatred at all, but rather discomfort -- and can be cured by exposure. Then we get the sort of hatred that the psychotic and the violent get -- and that's not well understood at all, and desperately needs to be. I don't know if any serious research is being done on that front, but I'd like to see more "mass shooters" in front of the psychologists than simply being shot dead by the cops in the heat of the moment. Something's driving these, and we need to get to the bottom of it.

He is a counselor to men with certain issues. This is his expertise. Not only he counsels students but also has a weekly Pride men group off campus he counsels.

[mr seamstress]

A popular vacation spot, Disney is allowing men to wear dresses.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/30/disney-bl ... ss-makeup/

[STEVIE]

A popular vacation spot, Disney is allowing men to wear dresses.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/30/disney-bl ... ss-makeup/

That, permission will disappear like snow in the rain if the backlash hits the company profits.
Steve.

[Jim2]

Are you saying that you think that people involved in suicide prevention would be interested in helping the cause of men wearing skirts to be accepted? I'm not sure I see exactly why that would be so. However, the thought intrigues me because I have a relative who is one of the leading researchers in the world on the subject of suicide prevention. Or did I misunderstand what you were saying?

[crfriend]

Are you saying that you think that people involved in suicide prevention would be interested in helping the cause of men wearing skirts to be accepted?

I'm not sure what the OP was driving at either, but, if the notion actually showed some efficacy in improving the situation, I can't see why the researchers and experts wouldn't embrace it -- because the situation we're in now is getting close to unsustainable.

On the one hand, putting on different adornment can reduce stress measurably -- and in a world full of it, that can only be a good thing. On the other hand, though, if they adopt it full time it'll pretty much guarantee that they'll be alone for the rest of their lives because most women will not tolerate "that sort of thing" in an intimate relationship. Women will pay lip-service to the idea in a platonic sense but will change their tune entirely when things "get serious".

[jamie001]

On the other hand, though, if they adopt it full time it'll pretty much guarantee that they'll be alone for the rest of their lives because most women will not tolerate "that sort of thing" in an intimate relationship. Women will pay lip-service to the idea in a platonic sense but will change their tune entirely when things "get serious".

CR you are finding the wrong type of women. Goth, artsy, geeky, tatted, and extremely intelligent women are accepting especially if they have their own off-beat style.

[crfriend]

CR you are finding the wrong type of women. Goth, artsy, geeky, tatted, and extremely intelligent women are accepting especially if they have their own off-beat style.

I'm in my 60s. A long-range strike would be a 50-year-old goth woman, because teenagers don't interest me. Geeky I can deal with. "Tatted", I can't. I'm insufficiently homosexual to be attracted to that.

[Mouse]

Geeky I can deal with. "Tatted", I can't. I'm insufficiently homosexual to be attracted to that.

Sorry, I am missing something here. How is someone's tattoo count linked to their sexual preferences??????????????

[crfriend]

How is someone's tattoo count linked to their sexual preferences??????????????

Traditionally, in the west, tattooing has been a man's activity, primary males who had extensive travel to odd corners of the world (e.g. sailors). It was not the general tendency for women. This reversed fairly recently, and I'm still running with familiarities of earlier decades. With women more and more resembling men, it was natural that this'd change -- and it has -- but it's left me cold and entirely unimpressed.

[Mouse]

How is someone's tattoo count linked to their sexual preferences??????????????

Traditionally, in the west, tattooing has been a man's activity, primary males who had extensive travel to odd corners of the world (e.g. sailors). It was not the general tendency for women. This reversed fairly recently, and I'm still running with familiarities of earlier decades. With women more and more resembling men, it was natural that this'd change -- and it has -- but it's left me cold and entirely unimpressed.

I think it is quite valid to have opinions on whether you like tattoos on people you date, but out of line to link tattoos to male or female traits in this age of equality. Bit like linking skirts to females. IMHO

[crfriend]

I think it is quite valid to have opinions on whether you like tattoos on people you date, but out of line to link tattoos to male or female traits in this age of equality. Bit like linking skirts to females. IMHO

I make no bones about the fact this is my foible (one of many; I am human after all), and thus don't necessarily project it onto others -- unless asked, in which case I'll provide an honest answer, which happens to be my opinion. And, since it's my opinion, I, by definition, "own it".

I'm not going to try to prohibit anybody from doing to their body what they want to, but that does not mean that I have to be attracted to them romantically.

[Grok]

I am 67 years old. I gave up on women twenty years ago.

Over the years I have had platonic friendships with a few women, but never any luck romantically. First started looking seriously for a girl friend when I was 29. When I was 47 I noticed that I was getting a bit too old to start raising a family, and there were no prospects at the time. It was a relief to finally call it quits.

One silver lining-I needn't be concerned about what a significant other thinks of my clothing.