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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jad ... ostpopular

Whether or not one would count this article as being about men wearing skirts, many of the comments to it are.

Hmm. Most of the "women" look more butch than Jaden does. From a personal perspective, I don't really see how this dovetails into getting skirts accepted on men; in fact, from the look portrayed, I'd not be surprised one bit to hear that Jaden will be undergoing SRS in a couple of years' time.

On another note, do you suppose the blasted "Fashion Industry" will ever start marketing to people who actually look like people instead of stick-figures?

Some of the comments were pretty good and some were pretty much what one would expect.

crfriend wrote:On another note, do you suppose the blasted "Fashion Industry" will ever start marketing to people who actually look like people instead of stick-figures?.

The first female model was anorexic, if ever anyone was. Still, for me, someone who battles weight, it is a cruel irony for Carl to call someone a "stick-figure"... Just kidding, Carl.

We already have an example of this...Andre Pejic, Male model underwent SRS recently and is now known as Andrea Pejic. I wasn't at all surprised at this. 'She' is as thin as a matchstick and is in her early twenties. Tom

crfriend wrote:On another note, do you suppose the blasted "Fashion Industry" will ever start marketing to people who actually look like people instead of stick-figures?

Pffft.... we don't need no fashion industry to market to us anyway.... we're skirt wearing men... we've got our own style... the industry can't keep up!

crfriend wrote:Hmm. Most of the "women" look more butch than Jaden does. From a personal perspective, I don't really see how this dovetails into getting skirts accepted on men; in fact, from the look portrayed, I'd not be surprised one bit to hear that Jaden will be undergoing SRS in a couple of years' time.

That's a tad harsh coming from a man who wears skirts, Carl. I can see the difference between a man putting a skirt on and man wearing women's clothing. But in this case it seems more likely to me to be a case of an advertiser coming up with an unusual way to get some publicity.

skirtyscot wrote:That's a tad harsh coming from a man who wears skirts, Carl.

There's precedent in the comment, and I offer up the photo that Kirbstone put up a few posts ago of A. (Neither "Andre" nor "Andrea" -- just simply "A.") Pejic who recently (or thereabouts) underwent SRS from a similarly-slotted role in modelling.

I can see the difference between a man putting a skirt on and man wearing women's clothing. But in this case it seems more likely to me to be a case of an advertiser coming up with an unusual way to get some publicity.

I rather doubt that the likes of Louis Vuitton needs "unusual publicity"; the name alone says more than any single photo (or spread) can.

dillon wrote:Still, for me, someone who battles weight, it is a cruel irony for Carl to call someone a "stick-figure"... Just kidding, Carl.

I understand the problem with weight fairly well having had problems controlling my own not too long ago, and also from having some heavy folks in my inner circle of friends. I may be rail-thin, but I'm not so low that I'm unhealthy from it; I got close not too long ago (down into the upper 150 pound range) but that's coming back up now nicely as most of the stressors have disappeared. I've never been heavy, but know plenty who are/have been, and the trials that they go through -- which is something I'd not wish on anybody.

What I tend to rail about is the enshrinement of the anorexic look to the exclusion of body-types that are actually a lot more natural and healthy. Adult women are not supposed to be stick-figures with all the padding and curves of a 13-year-old boy. I look at modern fashion shoots and sometimes wonder if I'm looking at something that borders on "kiddie-porn". Is this really where we want to be as a society?

crfriend wrote:. From a personal perspective, I don't really see how this dovetails into getting skirts accepted on men; in fact, from the look portrayed, I'd not be surprised one bit to hear that Jaden will be undergoing SRS in a couple of years' time.

He is now getting criticised by a "trans woman" for NOT being a trans!-
"People like Jaden are starting to wear the trans uniform without actually stating that they are transgender, and they’re claiming it for themselves under the guise of gender-neutral fashion"
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/wil ... 97461.html

"transgender territory"
You couldn't make it up!

'Jaden Smith's skirt is the latest chapter in the history of gendered clothing'
http://www.upworthy.com/jaden-smiths-sk ... ing?c=ufb1

pleated wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/wil ... 97461.html

^^^ This article is just asinine. Very narrow minded.

pleated wrote:http://www.upworthy.com/jaden-smiths-sk ... ing?c=ufb1

^^^ I thought this one was quite thoughtful.

I like the last statement -

People like Jaden Smith — who stay true to their interests despite
society's expectations — will make the world a less judgmental
place for those kids who don't fit in the box.

and I hope it becomes normal and true for everyone

Uncle Al

Hmmm. We'll have to watch this one. A year or two ago, a Scottish education chief said boys in school should be allowed to wear skirts because it would facilitate those who were transgender. Aargh!! What he should have said was boys in school should be allowed to wear skirts because boys can wear skirts (just as girls can wear trousers).

The narrative used to be MAN + SKIRT = CROSSDRESSER

We need to make sure it doesn't translate into MAN + SKIRT = TRANS

The narrative we need to promote is MAN + SKIRT = MAN IN SKIRT

I'm with Stu on this one. The combination of "man + skirt = man in skirt" is the association that should be forwarded, not "man + skirt = somehow less than man". It may be a futile fight, though, as the other approach tends to be a lot louder and more shrill than the quiet statement that a man makes when he wears a skirt with no subtext behind it.

I'm beginning to tire of having to explain myself. No, I'm not "trans". No, I'm not "transitioning". No, I'm not homosexual. Yes, I'm married (or at least was). Look, there is no subtext, I just happen to like skirts. I had to go through that dance last night when I was out at one of my old haunts, ran into somebody new, and it took a while for him to get past my appearance; once that was done, however, we had a delightful conversation and the matter was likely forgotten. It shouldn't be that difficult.

Here's a take on this in today's NYT:

"If 2015 was the year unisex became a trend in fashion, 2016 may be the year the question of gender and dress enters an entirely different dimension..."

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/fa ... oogle.com/

This one seems to be making the rounds. In the Guardian, too.

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016 ... vuitton-ad