Skirt Boys Tribe Growing In Japan

[thoth51]

Some commentary on the trend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAwrVep4M08&feature=sub

[Pythos]

I thought this was a rather honest view. It was also supportive. Thought there was the whole making fun of the reasons the guy gave. It sounds like the guy is sensual ( Who here is not? I know I love the feel of a skirt against my legs, it feels nice.). I found it ironic the girl of the group said she would have a problem....way to go woman's lib. Hypocrite anyone? I'll bet dollars to donuts she was wearing jeans that day...Jeans, the clothing worn only by cowboys and factory workers for the longest time, women were forbidden.

That rant done, I liked this vid, and I liked the comments, except the idiot that not once not twice, but three times stated his sexual actions with someone's dad while the dad wore a skirt.

I like the sounds of Japan and its culture. I hate having to fit into the macho mold as is expected in the west....Oh wait, I don't. LOL

I will say though. That getup used for the example? Geeesh, I don't know any women that would wear that thing, let alone men.

[Since1982]

Pythos said: I will say though. That getup used for the example? Geeesh, I don't know any women that would wear that thing, let alone men.

Wow, of anyone on the planet, I thought Pythos would not be the one to downgrade someone else's home sewed dress or skirt. After all, that Japanese fellow isn't ASKING you to wear his dress, just as you're not asking him to wear white face paint and a BIG WIG. Live and learn.

[Pythos]

Actually I can be a right snob when it comes to people's appearances. I would not tell them to stop, or really put them down (as there are many out there that would me, and most here), I just thought that outfit was not the best example to put forward the idea of this growing thing in Japan (which I am beginning to like more and more, anyplace where a guy can wear a dress and makeup and still be recognized as a male, and be a rock legend, is an alright place for me). It looks like a peasant or farm girl outfit, the type of thing worn by women that were looked at as something less than a servant. It also looked a right pain to wear.

I would not think my style would be a terrific way of promoting the goth style, mine is way over the top (it gets compliments, always, but that is from fellow goths, and as seen here at this forum people with a more broad sense of style), my style would fit into the more "out there" style, and would most likely put the average Joe or Jane on the defensive when it comes to Goths. The big hair? That is only for costume, I usually have a long black wig, with minimal spikes. The one in the "uber goth" thread is my normal style, just in those pics I have more embellished makeup.

Doing white face, is not as common as it once was, guys in the circles have opted for more mundane looks, which to me is a shame. (and yet it is not uncommon for them to give me compliments on my style...go fig)

Gone off topic.

I agree with the Young Turks, If that is what the guy wants to wear, let him, it hurts no one, and perhaps could open some minds. If a guy showed up to my job in that I would say "WOOT", and show up in one of my rigs the next day:) I did not like the one guys stance that the subject was in denial of his homosexuality based on his liking of how the dress feels, that I thought was stereotypical non-sense, and weakend his argument for me.

[r1g0r]

ok, my take:

you have 3 guys that wouldn't wear a skirt unless there were serious amounts of alcohol involved.

they are looking at (and critiquing) a guy from a completely different culture.

the foreign guy is wearing an outfit that hasn't been seen in popular use since somewhere around the american civil war.

wow...

this is like asking a deaf ugandan to comment on the tom jones version of "kiss" and it's possible racist repurcussions, due to it being a cover version of a prince song.

ja, right!

yeah, they're being honest. and yeah, they're trying to be objective.

that strikes me as comparable to a honest and objective opinion of the taste of pork given by a lifelong vegetarian.

use-F**KING-less!

time for the next topic, kids. lets go, nothing to see here. i've got cookies and cocoa laid out in the other room.

[Uncle Al]

I watched the video.
It really irritated me
I would like to give the 'Macho' guy a piece of my mind
None of the other panel members let the 'lady' finish what she was
trying to say. Neither did they understand the 'cultural' aspect of
the Japannese man who was wearing a 'traditional' outfit from his
historical perspective. She did bring up the idea of how women started
wearing 'pants' but this did not register with the 'Macho' guy. I call
him 'the Macho guy' 'cause I don't remember his name.

Once I cool down a bit, I will 'join' the website and give them a few
comments from a kilt/skirt wearing man. Heck, my grandkids don't
object to PawPa wearing a skirted garment, why should these 'stooges'
be any different

Grrrrrrrrrr

Uncle Al

[Pythos]

I don't quite get Anna though. She gets asked "could you deal with that?" and she answers after a seconds thought "no", then she follows up with how the first woman wearing pants must have been persecuted and stuff. So what side is she on. Why does she remain on a band wagon she knows is one that holds progress back?

We all here need to hit this with out comments, cause there are some hopeful comments already, as well as some riddled with ignorance and prejudice.

[Bob]

I think a lot of people can't quite imagine what it's really like in their own mind. If they actually SEE a guy with skirted fashion, they usually realize all their snickering was for naught.

[Since1982]

Al said: I call him 'the Macho guy' 'cause I don't remember his name.

I think of that guy as the "fat,flat" guy. Chubby and with a flat top hair style. He was VERY negative about men in skirts. As far as Anna not choosing sides, she was probably thinking about her job, "disagree with the loud guy, get fired" so waffle on the edge of the subject instead.

[Stu]

This irritated me, too.

There is a world of difference between a man who says he's like the option of wearing an unbifurcated garment, preferably designed and made for men and styled in a masuline way, and a "crossdresser", i.e. someone who wants to wear the clothes of the opposite sex because they are the clothes of the opposite sex. If I wanted to "get in touch with my feminine side", I guess I'd wear lipstick and high heels or something, but teaming a denim skirt with a broad belt, lumberjack shirt, hiking socks and boots and a fishing hat, is hardly making oneself look feminine. This discussion should have had a blokish (macho) guy on to demonstrate that, in the right context, a skirt can actually be an indicator of masculinity rather than femininity.

Stu

[Since1982]

Hear hear, Stu

[tooslowprius]

This is the stereo typical male mode of thinking from the guy with the flat top! I think that you would have gotten a different reaction from the women if it would have been a different skirt. To me that outfit that they guy was wearing made him look a little too girly I think. The guy said clearly that a skirt wasn't for him witch is fine! Why is it that he had to make fun of the other guy cause he was wearing a skirt? That is the alpha male in him! The women did make a very good comment with the women in pant's thing! If it wasn't for women putting on pant's and going out and doing there thing they would still be dressing like they use too dress's only! So I guess until we start doing what women did back in the day we will never get where we want nor will we get rid of the stigma of skirt's being only for women!

[SkirtedViking]

How come women do not have to proof that are women by being wearing feminine apparel and the macho bulshiFt is always around when it comes to man and their clothes,shoes and other similar options?This double standard is dangerous to men without even realizing it.I wear whatever I please and still I will never consider myself as anything else than man in a skirt,heels or whatever I pick,I wear proudly also my beard!Why should a woman have more options than a man in self expression,that is unequal.

[jamie001]

I agree 100 percent with SkirtedViking regarding elimination of double-standards. It seems that women can wear anything but men are held to the asinine macho standard. By wearing our [broadened options] as men we are doing our part to destroy the double standard. Most men here on SkirtCafe are sick and tired of the clothing options that are available for men. Men's Fashion is an oxymoron! Unfortunately most men don't have the balls to break out of the stereotypical macho mold regard clothing and behavior. I know men that would rather rush into battle with the chance of dieing rather than wear something that could be perceived as feminine. Very strange, isn't it? How did society get to this point?

Jamie

[tooslowprius]

You hit the nail no the head! It is a double standard that exsist's ! It come down to the fact that most people will think you are some kind of freak if you choose to be different than another guy. I have found the best way to get past this is for them to get to know you! Once they get to know you and understand that you are not some sexual devant thing's aren't so bad! Until you start seeing so high profile people or some guy that want's to wear skirt's and work and has a boss that say's NO thing's are not going to change! I think that in my oppinion is what it is going to have to come down to for men to have the right to be a person not what someone says a man should be!