Sightings "in the wild"

[moonshadow]

Honestly, as I've always said, I don't see how such a law could be constitutional in any event. It seems to me that the 14th amendment could be cited by "equal protection of the laws". Of note is the amendment is written to "persons" not "men". That same amendment also states that all persons born or naturalized here in the U.S. are citizens of the U.S. and that no state can pass a law that would deny any person any rights under the law.

So the way I see it, if they don't want women to be topless, they've gotta make men put a shirt on too.

I've also cited this amendment as a possible defense against any crossdressing law that should find itself on the books. If women can wear skirts, then so can men. And before we get off on a crossdressing tangent, I use the word only in the general sense, as that's basically what the law would define us as practicing.

Of course, many public establishments like stores and restaurants require shirts and shoes for service, however it's still not discriminatory as the rule applies to both men and women. Although around here it's loosely enforced, at least with men. I see topless men in our stores all of the time. Let a woman do that and see what happens. -- it's not right.

Also, topless women is outright illegal in many areas around here. You can chock off the entire state of Tennessee -state wide ban. I believe Virginia leaves it up to local jurisdictions to decide. I'm not sure about North Carolina. Even if it were legal though, a woman who insisted on going topless everywhere would run into the same crap I do, with all types of people trying to create drama and problems for her at work, and at home. She could be terminated, loose family and friends. In many ways, men crossdressing is only the SECOND biggest American taboo. I submit that topless women is probably number one on the list, and I believe that that sentiment runs down into the fabric of our culture, that being that women are to be submissive and men dominant. Ironically, that same culture is why I believe so many men take great offense to our wearing of "women's" clothes, or anything feminine.

I hope someday that changes as freedom is indeed is for everyone's benefit, and men and women will finally be true equals, no one kneeling before the other.

[moonshadow]

I was just sitting here reading the gotopless website you provided Gordon, and it looks as though the 14th amendment issue is currently on the table, however apparently many lower courts do not consider gender discrimination as important as racial discrimination. I call bull sh!t on that... That's nothing more than puritan-religious conservatism run amuck. Hopefully if the next administration is left leaning, it will appoint progressive SCOTUS justices and this matter can be heard. I'd venture a good guess that the gotopless girls are biding their time, letting the LGBT issue die down a little, then they'll make their move. Good luck to them! I'm rooting for'em all the way!

This is in our interest because if it fails, then that will open the door for anti-crossdressing laws to return, and that means no more men in skirts!

[hoborob]

So it's worse than I thought. It's the Virginia Creeper Trail virus that has gotten loose. Be afraid, be very afraid folks. We just might have a fashion freedom breakout in Southwestern VA. Symptoms of infection include the desire to wear clothing that doesn't restrict the private areas of the body and looking for pretty clothing to wear. If this happens to you do not worry it's not fatal but there is no going back once you have caught it and there is no cure................

[Kilty]

Back on topic, I saw a well built African man in a calf length blue wrap skirt, definitely not a kilt, with sandals casually shopping in my local Tesco yesterday... no one batted an eyelid, it was encoraging for me as I was in the store skirted as well (invisible denim pencil skirt) and was feeling particularly nervous. Lots of up down glances but no comments. F&F (Tesco brand) have some nice skirts for sale too so I will return and buy a corduroy mini which looked nice

[partlyscot]

I should chime in with a report from work. Not the first I have seen there, but the first time I have had a chance to talk to while wearing a skirt myself.

He was wearing a cheaper non brand utilikilt, from ebay he said. It had obviously seen a lot of use, actually a touch shabby. I rather think my simple denim skirt was a lot neater. Nobody but myself seemed to give it much interest.

[Pdxfashionpioneer]

I've seen a number of utilikilts in use in Portland the last few days. The two most interesting were today. We have a bicycle event every year called the bridge pedal where 10 of the 11 bridges crossing the Willamette River, which bisects the city, are closed or partially closed to auto traffic so bicyclists can follow designated routes including all 10 bridges or fewer for the less fit or interested. Interestingly, two of the bridges are part of the Interstate Highway System (modelled after the German Autobahns and similar to the English Motorways). The 11th bridge that was closed to the Bridge Pedal is the most recently opened that was built for our light-rail transit system that every other day allows bicycles, but not cars. Welcome to the City of Roses!
Oh yes, the utilikilts. One participant was riding his bicycle in a utilitkilt. While I was waiting for the light rail to take me home from my participation, I noticed a couple entering the weekend open air market f handmade goods. The woman was wearing a real cute miniskirt in a bright green and multi-color jungle print. He was wearing a black utilikilt!
What I haven't seen is all of the skirted men I saw last Summer. Maybe it was a flask in the pan, maybe it's the difference in the 2 ends of Downtown, maybe it just hasn't gotten hot enough to motivate fellow Portland males to pull that cool little mini out of the back of the closet. Yet another of life's little mysteries.

[moonshadow]

One advantage of everybody and their brother knowing that you are into "skirts" is that when someone else sees a man out and about in a skirt, they typically bring it to my attention....

Today, a colleague stated that yesterday at the Walmart in Lebanon Virginia he witnessed a man getting out of a car with Connecticut tags and walking towards the store. He had a beard and was wearing a long black skirt that trailed behind him to some degree, he pointed out it was NOT a kilt, but an actual skirt.

Being from New England, could it be Carl's long lost brother? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm sure eventually he'll be heading back north and our friends up that way may run into him as well....!

I told my colleague "we're growing in numbers!"

[moonshadow]

At our store in Galax VA. A mid aged man with two prosthetic legs walking into the store with a black ulilikilt.

Seeing it more and more!

[skirtyscot]

I've seen a number of utilikilts in use in Portland the last few days. The two most interesting were today. We have a bicycle event every year called the bridge pedal where 10 of the 11 bridges crossing the Willamette River, which bisects the city, are closed or partially closed to auto traffic so bicyclists can follow designated routes including all 10 bridges or fewer for the less fit or interested.

Is it a bit like Koenigsberg? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Bri ... B6nigsberg

[Pdxfashionpioneer]

I'm afraid Portland's topography is nowhere near as interested as old Konigsberg. Portland is divided between East & West by the Willamette River and there are 12 bridges crossing the Willamette, the 10 car bridges, a strictly railroad bridge and the bridge built for our light rail system that allows pedestrians and bicycles, which, ironically, was excluded from the Bridge Pedal.

However, like the Konigsberg Bridge problem, one crosses each bridge only once, but the route for the 10-bridge ride is pretty convoluted. Most of the bridges, as you can well imagine are in the Downtown area. However the Northern-most, the St. John's Bridges is also one of the most beautiful anywhere -- it's a green suspension bridge built in the late '20's or early '30's with nicely ornamented towers -- connects the two sides of Portland in a relatively sparsely populated area. Similarly, the newest bridge, the Sellwood is in another sparsely populated area, at least on the Westside, and is at the South edge of the city. Two are also part of the Interstate Highway system so neither pedestrians nor bicyclists are allowed on them, except for the Bridge Pedal. Interestingly, one of them, the Marquam, is probably the ugliest bridge within the city and the other, the Fremont, is one of the most beautiful with its elegant simplicity.

[mishawakaskirt]

Mishawakaskirt here.
I just saw a man in our Fresh Thyme market in a tan Utility KILT!
I casusually pointed him out to my wife. And told her I'm not the only one
( hands on hips chest held High)
Did I say hello or nice kilt, no I'm fecal matter deposited by poultry. Sigh hope I see him or another kilty soon.

Mishawkaskirt

[skirted_in_SF]

Did I say hello or nice kilt, no I'm fecal matter deposited by poultry. Sigh hope I see him or another kilty soon.

I do love the skirt in your avatar. It would be great for a French person. I can't claim to be, though my last name is supposed to be French but diluted by several centuries of cross-breeding with other Northern European stock.

[Couya]

I do love the skirt in mishawakaskirt's avatar. It would be great for a French person.

No; the stripes would need to be vertical. The Dutch flag has the horizontal stripes.

Martin

[skirted_in_SF]

I do love the skirt in mishawakaskirt's avatar. It would be great for a French person.

No; the stripes would need to be vertical. The Dutch flag has the horizontal stripes.

Martin

What do I know, I'm just a dumb, monolingual 'Merican.
At least I got the colors right.

[mishawakaskirt]

I do love the skirt in mishawakaskirt's avatar. It would be great for a French person.

No; the stripes would need to be vertical. The Dutch flag has the horizontal stripes.

Martin

What do I know, I'm just a dumb, monolingual 'Merican.
At least I got the colors right.

Several of you have commented on my avitar image. I lay no claim to owning that skirt. Or the body inside of it. With that said I do like that skirt, and the legs under it.
I was tired of not havinga an avitar, like to be patriotic, and would sooo wear that skirt.
However I am very very cheap, I get all of my skirts at thrift stores and ebay.

Here is a link to the site where the image was found. I have not bought anything from from them nor do I know anything about it, they do have a few nice skirts I like.

Here's the link https://wanelo.com/shop/mid-calf-length-skirts
Viva America, or France or any other country that uses red white and blue

Mishawakakilt