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STEVIE wrote: ↑Sat Nov 08, 2025 7:00 pm As for MIS, my objection is that we should not begin from limited choice as the default setting in menswear.
Fashion freedom has to mean what it says, men have to be free to try anything and if that includes looking foolish on occasion, so be it!

I agree completely.

I also agree with Stevie on this, and it's worth noting that freedom implies the risk of goofing from time to time on experiments. This is to be expected and must be accepted as one of the risks. Note that the risk is one of the challenges and draws to the notion. The world is not meant to be a soft warm cocoon.

My visceral hatred of denim stems from its absolute ubiquity. One cannot escape the stuff, and that relegates it to the level of pollution in the ecosystem. It is LONG PAST its "best used by" date. Let. It. Die. Please. It's also symbolic of the hegemony of The USA pushing stuff at the rest of the world. It's time for it to GO.

It’s odd that a group that likes to break the rules also likes to lay them down.

TonautBrom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 5:00 pm It’s odd that a group that likes to break the rules also likes to lay them down.

I agree TB. MIS is a fringe group that would like nothing more than society acceptance and yet there is no acceptance of other groups which have similar aspirations.
Inclusivity is easy, just accept and welcome.

TonautBrom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 5:00 pm It’s odd that a group that likes to break the rules also likes to lay them down.

TB, by "rules" , what exactly do you mean?
My thoughts about menswear are very simple.
There should be no rules for anyone, just dress as you please and if it offends anyone's sense of propriety, so be it.
Male or female, the prerogative is there for the taking.
However, if you mean the criticism of denim, that's just opinion and up to you how much value which you place on it.
Not worth being upset, just ignore and please yourself.
Steve.

as an aside, can I congratulate you Seb on those fab orange tights in your picture.

STEVIE wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 9:40 pm

TonautBrom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 5:00 pm It’s odd that a group that likes to break the rules also likes to lay them down.

TB, by "rules" , what exactly do you mean?
My thoughts about menswear are very simple.
There should be no rules for anyone, just dress as you please and if it offends anyone's sense of propriety, so be it.
Male or female, the prerogative is there for the taking.
However, if you mean the criticism of denim, that's just opinion and up to you how much value which you place on it.
Not worth being upset, just ignore and please yourself.
Steve.

I agree. The rules are that there are NO rules! You can wear whatever you want to without apology. Women have been doing it for a very long time and it’s great that men are slowly starting to do the same albeit in small numbers. When I went shopping today I said to the sales lady in the shop that men openly wearing skirts might encourage some other men to try it. She agreed.

crfriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 08, 2025 9:05 pm My visceral hatred of denim stems from its absolute ubiquity.

I sympathise. I stopped wearing blue jeans when I was about 16 for that reason (though I like black and red jeans). But I have found it liberating to be able to go back to blue denim in the form.of a denim kilt, which is not (for men) a ubiquitous style. I now also have some short shorts in blue denim which feel similarly off-piste.

Denim jeans are ubiqutous, but denim skirts are not; I like them.

Susie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:18 pm as an aside, can I congratulate you Seb on those fab orange tights in your picture.

Thanks, one day I will have the courage to wear them out in public too. Colour comes hard for this black rocker, but I'm working on it, just a few years ago, the only coloured item in my wardrobe was a worn pair of blue jeans patched all over with band logos and black denim.

steamman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 7:14 pm Women have been doing it for a very long time and it’s great that men are slowly starting to do the same albeit in small numbers.

Is this really true though? I agree they have more latitude in what’s accepted and a wider variety of choice, but it would seem to me that women have their own set rules that they are still constrained by.

When I said "No rules for anyone", that was an aspiration, a goal to be achieved.
There are certainly rules for men and women alike.
The fact that they are unwritten and underlined by convention do not make them any less potent.
At the start of this thread, I said that gender based clothing rules will change if and when, society decides.
Until then, and only then its status quo, don't hold your breath.
Steve.

STEVIE wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 7:40 pm When I said "No rules for anyone", that was an aspiration, a goal to be achieved.

That's how I read it and how I am trying to live my life, except I fall back into "rules to guarantee everything works together". As with everything, life isn't perfect, and I always love to focus on the negative for some reason