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Seb wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 11:15 am

crfriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 11:01 pm

Seb wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 9:07 pmLet them have at it! We don't want them anyway.

Well, at least the ones of us who have cast off the shackles of machismo don't. The rest are trapped.

Maybe they will feel forced to look outside their box when women take the last of what they deem as theirs.

It will never happen! Many of them would rather run around naked than wear anything that a woman wears.

crfriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 12:18 pm

Seb wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 11:15 amMaybe they will feel forced to look outside their box when women take the last of what they deem as theirs.

More likely that they'll just ketch and whinge like the lemmings they are. Among the many things that men have lost is the ability to "think outside the box", act, and do great things. Men now hide and whimper. I am drawn to the comment from H.L.Mencken: "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." (This should really be taken figuratively.) Men have lost the spark, the will, and even the desire to do great things. Gone is the calculated risk and the solid triumph -- it's all about risk avoidance now, and we've paid a handsome price for that. We've sold our souls. And for what?

CR, we need to remember that men are pack animals and that they follow the herd. They are not leaders unless the herd buys-in to their thought process. They constantly seek recognition, status, and approval from their peers especially regarding their masculinity that they need to prove on a daily basis to ensure that their nads don't fall off.

jamie001 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:14 pm

Seb wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 11:15 am

crfriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 11:01 pm
Well, at least the ones of us who have cast off the shackles of machismo don't. The rest are trapped.

Maybe they will feel forced to look outside their box when women take the last of what they deem as theirs.

It will never happen! Many of them would rather run around naked than wear anything that a woman wears.

Yes, women have borrowed so much that there are now very few options left-except nudity

Don't recall where this quote comes from-"if I wanted to dress like a woman, I would wear blue jeans."

Sometimes I wonder if the Mainstream will have to go through this long, tedious progression:

Scooters > Skorts > Actual Skirts > Dresses

Grok wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 7:20 pmSometimes I wonder if the Mainstream will have to go through this long, tedious progression:

Scooters > Skorts > Actual Skirts > Dresses

Likely not in the civilised part of the world. Folks in the undeveloped/backwards places need to be very, very careful for the next 100 years or so.

Something just occurred to me. What if a hesitant man-upon seeing a man in a skirted rig-decided to break from conformity. But not to wear skirts, but to explore another form of self expression, such as nail polish, or long hair, or jewelry, etc.

Grok wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:46 pm Something just occurred to me. What if a hesitant man-upon seeing a man in a skirted rig-decided to break from conformity. But not to wear skirts, but to explore another form of self expression, such as nail polish, or long hair, or jewelry, etc.

I met a man who had broken from male conformity by wearing bright and shiny blouses and trousers. We had quite a chat about how one could take this further with a skirt rig, as I was standing in front of him in a lycra white leotard, purple latex skirt, orange tights and DM heeled red/brown boots. So you are quite correct, that a man escaping the man box is not necessary going to end up in a skirt!

robehickman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 30, 2025 11:17 am
The reason why some visual proportions work and others do not, is that humans tend to prefer things in simple mathematical ratios:

-... [cogent thoughts]
I shared a bunch of thoughts about these topics in the following article about a year ago:

https://robehickman.com/skirt-silhouettes-men

Very interesting, Rob. On holiday on Harris last year, I bought a length of tweed, to have it made into a skirt. I'm really not very sure about what shape will work best. I'm thinking about a pencil skirt, a style which I wear to the office quite a lot, but which very often features a narrow waist and flared hips, so as to curve enticingly round the female posterior. Getting the fit right on the waist and hips is the easy bit. Deciding on what length, what degree of flare, what width at the hem, would look best is more difficult, so I found your thoughts very enlightening.

Talking about other forms of self expressions other than skirts when I’m not wearing a skirt I wear ripped skinny jeans or ripped leggings with black fishnet tights underneath and a long top or mini dress with my usual DM boots and a long trench coat. I’ve also started wearing necklaces. The rips in my skinny jeans or leggings show off my fishnet tights and I really like that style.

skirtyscot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 10:40 pm

robehickman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 30, 2025 11:17 am
The reason why some visual proportions work and others do not, is that humans tend to prefer things in simple mathematical ratios:

-... [cogent thoughts]
I shared a bunch of thoughts about these topics in the following article about a year ago:

https://robehickman.com/skirt-silhouettes-men

Very interesting, Rob. On holiday on Harris last year, I bought a length of tweed, to have it made into a skirt. I'm really not very sure about what shape will work best. I'm thinking about a pencil skirt, a style which I wear to the office quite a lot, but which very often features a narrow waist and flared hips, so as to curve enticingly round the female posterior. Getting the fit right on the waist and hips is the easy bit. Deciding on what length, what degree of flare, what width at the hem, would look best is more difficult, so I found your thoughts very enlightening.

Length and also the placement of the waistband is rather important. If a skirt is too long or too short it makes an entire outfit look off / weird. You can get a good sense for this by folding and wrapping a rectangle of fabric around yourself at your natural waist (or lower if you prefer), adjusting it to various lengths, taking a picture of each (get someone else to or use a self timer), then review the pictures and see what subconsciously looks the most natural to you.

Doing this I found out that what works best on me is either above the knee, half way between knee and ankle, and ankle length. Below the knee given my body proportions looks really awkward.

In my experience what looks best on men tends to be skirts with a slight A line shape such that the hem is about the same with as the shoulders.Anything too straight has a tendency to make the whole outfit look top-heavy in a way that reads as 'weird', because most men have wide shoulders.

As an occasional wearer of a denim skirt, which has taken me considerable time and effort to achieve, I consider some of the views expressed in this thread to be judgmental and somewhat offensive.

jamie001 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 4:14 pm It will never happen! Many of them would rather run around naked than wear anything that a woman wears.

If it were more socially acceptable than skirts or dresses, I would any time it was warm enough! But MiS still have more freedom than naturists.

TonautBrom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 10:13 pm As an occasional wearer of a denim skirt, which has taken me considerable time and effort to achieve, I consider some of the views expressed in this thread to be judgmental and somewhat offensive.

I wear denim and denim-adjacent fabric skirts quite often, don't sweat it...you're not the only one!

FLbreezy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 07, 2025 8:50 pm

TonautBrom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 10:13 pm As an occasional wearer of a denim skirt, which has taken me considerable time and effort to achieve, I consider some of the views expressed in this thread to be judgmental and somewhat offensive.

I wear denim and denim-adjacent fabric skirts quite often, don't sweat it...you're not the only one!

Same - I really don’t understand the hate that’s levied upon them. I wear a lot of wool, and find that far scratchier.

Coder wrote: ↑Sat Nov 08, 2025 12:49 pm Same - I really don’t understand the hate that’s levied upon them. I wear a lot of wool, and find that far scratchier.

Denim has it's place on both sides of the aisle.
As for MIS, my objection is that we should not begin from limited choice as the default setting in menswear.
Fashion freedom has to mean what it says, men have to be free to try anything and if that includes looking foolish on occasion, so be it!
In terms of the texture, that is subjective according to perception and taste, one just has to take the rough with the smooth.
In my own case, the feel of angora wool is repulsive and the idea of wearing a garment made of it, unthinkable.
Steve