ScotL wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 11:53 am
Only skirtedwalker knows what this biker man was truly like. We are all speculating here.
As far as we know, Walker had only
one encounter with him. Do you think that was enough for the former to establish who the latter was as a person?
But stating he is the “opposite of civil”...
I said he was
being uncivil
in that situation — not that he was overall (I mean, I sure wouldn't consider him to have any civility at all).
and a “judgmental prick”...
It's not much of an assumption to label one as such if he goes around vomiting an "opinion" to someone's face when it's unnecessary.
and a “waste of space of human trash”
Said this about a completely different person. And again, it's not an assumption if someone's going to make a public stink about someone else wearing something. People who do this deserve to have derogatory terms lashed at them for actively being s****y people.
...is making a lot of assumptions. If we make the assumptions that both the other person is this horrible and their comments reflect hatred towards the fact a man is wearing a skirt, we draw lines in the sand and ensure a fight.
I generally have a disdain for people as a whole. Why should I care if my observations with said individual turn out to be assumptions? If someone made the same comment to me, I obviously wouldn't think very highly of that person, now, would I? Humans aren't nearly as complex as we pretend we are.
I believe I was very clear that he should’ve expressed himself better. His opinion is not wrong because opinions reflect what the man is thinking. Thus if he is thinking it, that’s his opinion. That does NOT mean his opinion means anything more than his opinion and does NOT mean his opinion reflects the truth.
He could've simply just stared, or better yet, carry on with the rest of his day without a peep about what another man wears. You CAN have an opinion without voicing it. This isn't about what's true; this is about courtesy — which he DIDN'T display by flat-out stating, "That looks ridiculous, dude." SkirtedWalker might have thick skin, but a younger,
vulnerable person might hear this being said to them, get discouraged — to the point that they adopt a less experimental style, get depressed, or worse.
I could have the opinion that the Earth is flat but science doesn’t care what I think. A flat earth would be my true opinion but I am still wrong about the true facts. Sometimes we mistake opinions for facts but shouldn’t.
I don't understand why this was added here. We know that the Earth being flat is thoroughly debunked by a myriad of observations and phenomena that's been explained better by a spherical Earth model than a flat one (which doesn't exist because not a single half-ass attempt has ever worked). Opinions
can be wrong, especially when it relates to science. No, his opinion isn't wrong, and it's his right to have that opinion. No one here's interpreting his opinion as a fact. Just be mindful of how you go about it so people won't interpret your negative opinion as an insult.
I wish the biker had expressed his opinion differently. Would we have been as upset in our assumptions of this biker if he had asked why skirtedwalker was wearing a dress and after hearing the reasons stated I don’t like the look but you do you?
I'd still be a bit irritated because it goes back to my point that people who make a "Why?" question clearly wouldn't have been satisfied with any answer because this activity of men "crossdressing" isn't normal, so Walker's answer most likely would've been interpreted as a series of rationalizations and excuses of some sort. I said this before, but "you do you" is a stupid phrase, even if it the message itself is positive.
Can't speak for the others here, but I can imagine SkirtedWalker's post would be a lot different as a result of this hypothetical exchange that sadly didn't happen.
We have to accept that the entire world will not like men wearing skirts. I believe we fight to allow anyone the acceptance to wear anything they want.
Lots of us here already have.
I’ve heard people express their opinions that women shouldn’t wear pants.
It's really old people stuck in the days before the '60s and ultra-conservative religious nutters who actively want to enforce gender roles into people as if they're more than the social constructs society established. Even then, I'd probably hate the latter less than any hypocrite who thinks women wearing pants is fine, but that men shouldn't wear skirts because they're probably too ignorant to realize that women weren't even allowed to wear anything but skirts and dresses. Idiots act as if women wearing pants was always a common thing and not the taboo it was for centuries until it was finally considered acceptable 60 or so years ago.
This is precisely why I'm frustrated with society as whole. Everyone's too goddamn stupid to notice a double standard when they see one, even when it's right in front of their faces. People against women in pants are a very,
very small minority in developed countries. People against men in
anything that's considered feminine are much,
much higher in comparison. It's largely due to sexism and the inability to notice inequality present between the two sexes.
So some people will dislike our skirted outfits.
Again I speak only for myself, but I will have trouble differentiating them disliking me for wearing a skirt versus them disliking how the outfit looks.
I hope I have the courage to discuss my opinions calmly without assuming they are uncivilized, judgmental wastes of space human trash.
Feel as if it's a dig towards me. Wouldn't put it against you if it was. I'm abrasive, distant, and quick to anger. I find a lot of people dumb, annoying, and barely tolerable. In real life, as well as on the Internet.
I know there will be times when the other person won’t be considerate. At these times, I hope I always maintain the high road and disarm them with the question of “why can’t I wear what I like” and “why do you care so much?”
These questions could be potentially dangerous. Someone might take these as being confrontational, which would be the complete opposite of what you're trying to accomplish.
In the end, I remain hopeful that we all don’t judge each other harshly for having opinions that don’t perfectly align with ours. Therefore, civil discussions can occur without judging the book by the cover.
Respect is a two-way street; no reason to be kind if someone's going to be a jackass.