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I feel my answer to Carl's latest post is to carry on wearing the summer skirts and have a nice day at the skirt Café....
Today we had our first rain for weeks .........weeladdie

weeladdie18 wrote:I feel my answer to Carl's latest post is to carry on wearing the summer skirts and have a nice day at the skirt Café....

Which is what it should be. And, if they question you about "cross-dressing" simply say, "No, this is just a style I prefer."

.we had our first rain for weeks today.

I am desperately hoping for some to come here to break the heat-wave we've been having. Ninety degree dry-bulb temperatures and dewpoints in the mid 70s are no fun.

Following carl's comment :
When asked if one is a crossdresser ...By replying " no this is just a style which I prefer " ....one does not admit that one is wearing a skirt ...

I find that by wearing a light summer skirt with the full hem below my knees ....this does keep my bare legs and lower torso warmer...weeladdie

Perhaps one can avoid the suggestion that one is crossdressing whilst wearing a skirt by dressing as a male. .......weeladdie

weeladdie18 wrote:Following carl's comment :
When asked if one is a crossdresser ...By replying " no this is just a style which I prefer " ....one does not admit that one is wearing a skirt ...

Ah, but he admits quite openly and honestly that he's wearing a skirt, he just does not call it out as such -- and in so doing defuses the entire problem.

Bear in mind that humans are endowed with something called "free will", and some of us are imbued with it. This gives us not just license, but power, to defy "norms". Make good use of it. Don't play the game that everybody expects you to play, for down that path lies madness and rigid conformity. Don't rise above that -- soar over it.

I find that by wearing a light summer skirt with the full hem below my knees ....this does keep my bare legs and lower torso warmer.

Skirts are superior garments -- and can be so in many, if not most, climates. I routinely wear skirts when I'm out doing manual labour in the depths of Winter here -- and I'm not cold from it; I wear skirts in sunshine and rain -- a rain-soaked skirt is nowhere near as nasty as rain-soaked trousers; I wear skirts when it's hot -- and sometimes longer is better than shorter in that realm. It's a style choice, and it's a style I like.

Wearing a skirt IS. NOT. CROSSDRESSING. (Mangled punctuation for effect.)

crfriend wrote:Wearing a skirt IS. NOT. CROSSDRESSING.

Whether or not the skirt in question constitutes "crossdressing" in the context above can not be answered. For we do not know which sex it was intended to be worn by.

And who is the all mighty one who decides these "intentions"? Ahh.... THAT is the $64,000 question! An arbitrary mish-mash of cultural evolution seem to be the culprit. There does not appear to be "one person" who makes these rules. Save for maybe Moses, but then again, nobody in the west wears what those in his era and region were wearing at the time.

Virtually all of my skirts have "womens" sizing, and some even have names on the tag like "Southern Lady", making it clear that by the strictest definition of the word, when I don the garment, I am, in effect, "crossdressing"...

But big whoop anyway... girls do it all the time. It's just clothes, and "crossdresser" is just a pointless antiquated word that still gets thrown around, and interestingly enough, in my 3 years of doing this, nobody has ever called me a crossdresser.

Seriously! I've NEVER ONCE heard of anyone say behind my back "hey! Look at that crossdresser!"

It's normally "hey! look at that guy wearing a dress!"

moonshadow wrote:

crfriend wrote:Wearing a skirt IS. NOT. CROSSDRESSING.

Whether or not the skirt in question constitutes "crossdressing" in the context above can not be answered. For we do not know which sex it was intended to be worn by.

And who is the all mighty one who decides these "intentions"? Ahh.... THAT is the $64,000 question! An arbitrary mish-mash of cultural evolution seem to be the culprit. There does not appear to be "one person" who makes these rules. Save for maybe Moses, but then again, nobody in the west wears what those in his era and region were wearing at the time.

Virtually all of my skirts have "womens" sizing, and some even have names on the tag like "Southern Lady", making it clear that by the strictest definition of the word, when I don the garment, I am, in effect, "crossdressing"...

But big whoop anyway... girls do it all the time. It's just clothes, and "crossdresser" is just a pointless antiquated word that still gets thrown around, and interestingly enough, in my 3 years of doing this, nobody has ever called me a crossdresser.

Seriously! I've NEVER ONCE heard of anyone say behind my back "hey! Look at that crossdresser!"

It's normally "hey! look at that guy wearing a dress!"

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I'm a transwoman , and I wear womens clothing all of the time. incl fake boobies and make up, nobody called me anything. Maybe because I look just like woman, the people act normal.
In my village I go anywhere and everybody knows what I am. I'm a girl in a man's body. And they treat me with respect.

In a couple of months I will start with female hormones, to make my body more female before I can decide to have the big sex change surgical operation body mesh up something.

moonshadow wrote: I've NEVER ONCE heard of anyone say behind my back "hey! Look at that crossdresser!"

It's normally "hey! look at that guy wearing a dress!"

I can't remember hearing the term "crossdresser" in general use for many years - and have only heard it occasionally in specialised discussions.

Rokje wrote:I'm a transwoman , and I wear womens clothing all of the time. incl fake boobies and make up, nobody called me anything. Maybe because I look just like woman, the people act normal.

When I wore a kilt, I received quite a few stares and comments but these became far fewer when I started wearing a skirt.  Now my appearance is even more feminine and I receive no comments or 'looks' at all; I think people just see me as an ugly old woman.

In my village I go anywhere and everybody knows what I am. I'm a girl in a man's body. And they treat me with respect.

All my neighbours and local shop staff just treat me as they would treat anyone else.  For a while I tried to avoid being seen by the parents and children from a local school - but having had no trouble on the occasions when this was unavoidable, I now don't worry about it.

crossdressing it is what it is. Maybe we don't like to be labeled but .

My son and I went out for dinner at our local diner. We go there often and most of the time I am wearing a skirt.

There was a couple of new workers there and they were gathered by the front counter. I got a couple of stares no problems. as I passed I could hear the buzz, my attire was definitely the subject of their conversation.

While I did not hear any of the conversation I am sure any references to me were in terms other than "A MAN wearing a skirt" like I said it is what it is accept it.

Rokje wrote:I'm a transwoman , and I wear womens clothing all of the time. incl fake boobies and make up, nobody called me anything. Maybe because I look just like woman, the people act normal.

This is a special case and needs to be considered separately from the notion of men wearing skirts -- as men. I'm not casting aspersions here, just pointing up that all the driving factors are different and that the two cannot be easily compared.

That the folks around you simply act normally, that's a blessing and an indication that you live in an advanced part of the world. In quite a few places things can get a bit dodgy for anyone who dares to buck convention.

oldsalt1 wrote:here was a couple of new workers there and they were gathered by the front counter. I got a couple of stares no problems. as I passed I could hear the buzz, my attire was definitely the subject of their conversation.

While I did not hear any of the conversation I am sure any references to me were in terms other than "A MAN wearing a skirt" like I said it is what it is accept it.

Yeah that happens sometimes, and I try to take it just as you do, in stride.

As I explain to my wife when it happens.... I've got a right to wear a skirt, and people have a right to talk about it, and yes, even laugh about it if they want.

Lately I think things have been better for some reason. As I pointed out in another thread, I haven't received a lot of flak from the public about what I wear. I suspect one reason for this is that the whole "transgender" thing is yesterdays (forgotten) news now. [0] Being more or less dead for the better part of a year. As it normally does, the media has it's new flavor of the month, and it doesn't have much to do with the gender roles of males.

[0] In the U.S. anyway. I understand that apparently school uniforms are all the rage at the moment elsewhere.

Only managed to read the first 10 pages or so of this thread - some interesting stuff, but the wife is complaining (again) about how much time I'm spending on 'social meeedja'.

I need to re-read the Eddie Izzard autobiography. ISTR that he talks about his early experiences of what he seems quite happy calling cross dressing, but doesn't really explain his thought process / motivation for doing it. He talks about 'boy mode' and 'girl mode', which seems slightly at odds with his "they aren't women's clothes, they are mine".

In the past....3 years? I've been wearing skirts, I can't remember more than one or two occasions when anybody brought up the subject of crossdressing or being trans. Yes, I've had them ask "is that a kilt?" and I've seen more than a few startled or occasionally disgusted looks, or even heard a few mutterings. Is it just me? Or is it just Canadian politeness?

There is nothing wrong with crossdressing, but I don't consider just wearing a skirt crossdressing, my definition of that is wearing something that tries to change the visual appearance to the other sex.

Can I just clarify? In my previous posts I was giving the definitions of cross dressing and according to those then I am a cross dresser. But as Carl pointed out dictionary definitions lag behind colloquial uses and colloquially, as Carl again pointed out, I am NOT a cross dresser and I don't in my heart of hearts consider me to be one, simply a man that wears certain female marketed garments on occasion ( frequently? ).