One must never assert a categorical imperative.Caultron wrote:This statement is false.Daryl wrote:That's quite a generality.Caultron wrote:All generalities are false.
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Hi from New Zealand
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Daryl...
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Haha good pointDaryl wrote:So, you've been doing it as a female up until now?hlz wrote:Hi everyone,
...I have become interested in wearing skirts as a male
An interesting thing which happened a few months ago, I saw A gay friend of mine, who was all good with it but his boyfriend thought it was "unnatural" and "didn't want to see it". So in this case it wasn't about gay stereotypes at all just ignorance I suppose. Ironically my gay friend has a dress that he wore to some drag queen thing as a joke, but that's ok according to his bf.
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Most people much prefer single-variant (or better yet binary) categorizations. But in fact, sexual orientation, gender orientation, fashion orientation, and a host of other variables are independent and continuous.hlz wrote:...An interesting thing which happened a few months ago, I saw A gay friend of mine, who was all good with it but his boyfriend thought it was "unnatural" and "didn't want to see it". So in this case it wasn't about gay stereotypes at all just ignorance I suppose. Ironically my gay friend has a dress that he wore to some drag queen thing as a joke, but that's ok according to his bf.
Courage, conviction, nerve, verve, dash, panache, guts, nuts, balls, gall, élan, stones, whatever. Get some and get skirted.
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YES. Binary categorisations make polar opposites of things that are not, and then people want to enforce norms based on them as if they are ideals. It's just nuts. All tendencies should be visualised as bell curves not ideals. As curves the overlaps between various groups can be readily seen.Caultron wrote:Most people much prefer single-variant (or better yet binary) categorizations. But in fact, sexual orientation, gender orientation, fashion orientation, and a host of other variables are independent and continuous.hlz wrote:...An interesting thing which happened a few months ago, I saw A gay friend of mine, who was all good with it but his boyfriend thought it was "unnatural" and "didn't want to see it". So in this case it wasn't about gay stereotypes at all just ignorance I suppose. Ironically my gay friend has a dress that he wore to some drag queen thing as a joke, but that's ok according to his bf.
Daryl...
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Ignorance or perhaps there's something to the stereotype of the gay man who is an afficionado about fashion and what is or is not "right" to wear. Perhaps he is inspired to be one of them. You know, like some people take up being wine afficionados then claim they can tell good wine from bad.hlz wrote:Haha good pointDaryl wrote:So, you've been doing it as a female up until now?hlz wrote:Hi everyone,
...I have become interested in wearing skirts as a male
An interesting thing which happened a few months ago, I saw A gay friend of mine, who was all good with it but his boyfriend thought it was "unnatural" and "didn't want to see it". So in this case it wasn't about gay stereotypes at all just ignorance I suppose. Ironically my gay friend has a dress that he wore to some drag queen thing as a joke, but that's ok according to his bf.
Funny story, one half of a gay couple I know has actually met Jean Paul Gaultier and worked closely enough with him for a while to be gifted one of his men's skirts designs, which he subsequently wore to some functions with Mssr. Gaultier. The second half of the same couple actually considered wearing a kilt (he has a family tartan) as clothes not costume but was pretty sure the first half would not approve of it.
I was terribly impressed at being just one step away from Mssr. Gaultier, of course, after his work on The Fifth Element.
Daryl...
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If I wear a skirt, people sometimes think that I'm equally gay. Maybe that's because of my soft radiance too.
Then I think: women often say that gay men are beautiful men. And even more prejudices are in favor of gays. They have a cared look. They are sympathetic. And they are caring and friendly. So it's actually a compliment for straight men. Do you think so?!
My motto just be who you are. Then you are the best type of yourself.
Then I think: women often say that gay men are beautiful men. And even more prejudices are in favor of gays. They have a cared look. They are sympathetic. And they are caring and friendly. So it's actually a compliment for straight men. Do you think so?!
My motto just be who you are. Then you are the best type of yourself.
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Yes, but I'd take being mislabelled as female as a compliment too, if it was innocently intended.WesleyN wrote:If I wear a skirt, people sometimes think that I'm equally gay. Maybe that's because of my soft radiance too.
Then I think: women often say that gay men are beautiful men. And even more prejudices are in favor of gays. They have a cared look. They are sympathetic. And they are caring and friendly. So it's actually a compliment for straight men. Do you think so?!
However, being called "gay" is frequently intended as an insult. That's aggression and I don't pretend to be oblivious to that.
Daryl...
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Often of it isn't agressively. Only just a question. And I don't mind of they think I'm gay.
{If I write it from my mobile sometimes the words are changed to a Dutch word. Than is mind changed to kind and that means: child}
{If I write it from my mobile sometimes the words are changed to a Dutch word. Than is mind changed to kind and that means: child}
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Re: Hi from New Zealand
It depends on whether they are honestly enquiring in all innocence or whether they are telling you you are gay.Daryl wrote:Yes, but I'd take being mislabelled as female as a compliment too, if it was innocently intended.WesleyN wrote:If I wear a skirt, people sometimes think that I'm equally gay. Maybe that's because of my soft radiance too.
Then I think: women often say that gay men are beautiful men. And even more prejudices are in favor of gays. They have a cared look. They are sympathetic. And they are caring and friendly. So it's actually a compliment for straight men. Do you think so?!
However, being called "gay" is frequently intended as an insult. That's aggression and I don't pretend to be oblivious to that.
There is no such thing as a normal person, only someone you don't know very well yet.
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Or declaring you to be gay as a judgement not just a guess.pelmut wrote:It depends on whether they are honestly enquiring in all innocence or whether they are telling you you are gay.Daryl wrote:Yes, but I'd take being mislabelled as female as a compliment too, if it was innocently intended.WesleyN wrote:If I wear a skirt, people sometimes think that I'm equally gay. Maybe that's because of my soft radiance too.
Then I think: women often say that gay men are beautiful men. And even more prejudices are in favor of gays. They have a cared look. They are sympathetic. And they are caring and friendly. So it's actually a compliment for straight men. Do you think so?!
However, being called "gay" is frequently intended as an insult. That's aggression and I don't pretend to be oblivious to that.
Daryl...
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I don't mind either. In fact, if it gets my dinner paid for, I'll let them think it all night.WesleyN wrote:Often of it isn't agressively. Only just a question. And I don't mind of they think I'm gay.
Daryl...